I don’t trust anecdotes about people falling ill after getting vaccinations.
Here’s another anecdote for you, ha. My husband had several vaccinations a few weeks ago. Not long after, he started having lots of weird symptoms, including high fever and chills. It would have been easy to blame the shots for the symptoms. When he went to the doctor after his temperature reached 103 degrees, she happened to pull up his shirt and look at his back - there was a large red area that she said was an obvious indicator of Lyme Disease. If that spot had been on his leg, she wouldn’t have caught it. I could see someone in his shoes going online and saying, “See?? I knew vaccinations were bad for you!”
In his case, the doctor was relieved it was Lyme, because DH doesn’t have a spleen and a blood infection could be serious. DH started antibiotics and is back to 100%. Thank God for modern medicine. That’s what’s so maddening to me - people rejecting a simple procedure that can save lives.
I got my flu shot a few weeks ago. Within a week, I was in the ER and they found a tumor on my liver. Coincidence?!?!?! (yes, it absolutely was.)
When you get “sick” after a vaccine, it is 99% likely that you got that virus or whatever from sitting in the waiting room for the shot- IF it has any connection at all.
VAERS is a passive reporting system. This means that anyone can report anything to it. A report in VAERS does not prove that any adverse event was actually caused by vaccines. In fact, it doesn’t even prove that any reported adverse event actually occurred, since “VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.”
VAERS staff cannot follow up on every report, but they do try to follow up on serious adverse events reports. But by their own admission:
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Please note that VAERS staff follow-up on all serious and other selected adverse event reports to obtain additional medical, laboratory, and/or autopsy records to help understand the concern raised. However, in general, coding terms in VAERS do not change based on the information received during the follow-up process. VAERS data should be used with caution as numbers and conditions do not reflect data collected during follow-up. Note that the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality.
I do not share your “trust” that most parents who are refusing to vaccinate their children are doing so “in conjunction with their doctors.” Those with medical contraindications, yes; those who have availed themselves of the “philosophical objection” waivers or send their kids to private schools which have no vaccination requirements or homeschool to avoid the requirements, no.
If no one got sick in the week following a certain vaccination, it would be a miracle drug.
When a lot of people take a particular medication, obviously some people will be sick within the following week, just because there is a background rate of illness. You have to subtract off the background rate to see if there are real effects. Google “signal vs. noise.”
@takeitallin, you’re more generous than I am about families making medical choices for family members. There are plenty of medical choices that I would not want parents to be allowed to make for their child, including the choice to not vaccinate.
I WAS pro-vaccination when my children were babies, however, two of my children are vaccine injured. I wish I could turn back time. I have learned a lot from Dr. Humphries, Dr. Tenpenny, The Truth about Vaccines, Vaxxed, our own doctor who manages my children’s issues, and massive research. Medical schools that are funded by pharma and doctors only get provaccination messages. They are taught vaccines are great, the more the better. Practices receive giant kickbacks/bonuses for fully vaccinated practices, and pharm companies are exempt from lawsuits
Anyway, easy for parents to say vaccinations are great until they have a child harmed by them. Nobody should judge until the walk a day in a family’s shoes of children who have been hurt by vaccines. My child going to college has a medical exemption for no further vaccinations. He has multiple autoimmune disorders and other issues caused by vaccination. He is fully vaccinated except for recent requirements.
The list goes on and on and on. When parents are not acting in the best interest of their children, the state intervenes. Is it always the right solution? No, but kids don’t have a choice in the matter.
No kid should die because their parents (and often their “doctors”) believe in pseudoscience.
“Massive research” shows that vaccines have saved millions upon millions of lives which used to be lost to diseases. No one wants their child to be one of the very few negatively impacted by vaccines, but the risk/benefit to society as a whole falls clearly on the side of vaccination.
I think part of the problem is that many people who have children of vaccination age are too young to remember the diseases.
My father remembers being in the hospital with scarlet fever and seeing the boy next to him die of diptheria. This was in the early 1930’s. My mother’s oldest brother died as an infant of the measles in the early 1920’s. When the polio vaccine came around, I got it. In fact, I recall lining up in the school nurse’s office with every other kid in school and getting the sugar cube (Sabin vaccine). The next year, I got the Salk. I had measles, mumps, chicken pox and German measles because there were no vaccines. All of my kids are fully vaccinated, down to all 4 boys having had the full course of Gardasil.
Drug tests for every pregnant woman? Forced incarceration? Maybe house arrest with no visitors for all pregnant women who are taking drugs? How about unvaccinated parents, they pose a danger and would need to be ‘gotten between’. On board? After all, they are not so passively trying to kill or main their child.
Be careful what you wish for indeed! It makes me think of mandatory waiting periods for abortion. OK, you don’t want to give little Johnny his MMR? You need to sit through this 6 hour documentary about disease. Take notes, there will be a test.
Sorry to bring up such a dismal thought but we seem today to be so far away from proper fear of contagion. It seems that the world was controlled by things like fast diseases that would kill you, and slow diseases that would kill you too. Then antibiotics came along and suddenly the end was in sight for tuberculosis and syphillis (at one point nearly all of Europe had TB or syphillis or both). And vaccines came along too and we didn’t have to worry about measles, meningitis, and polio.
I think it lasted about 20 years and then we got AIDS, MRSA, and anti-vaxxers. Oh well. Maybe nature is trying to balance things by keeping the population of mammals in check.
@greenwitch not quite that extreme, but that is what MI’s new vax law tries to do. If you want to opt out of vaccinating your children (for non-religious or medical reasons), you have to sit through a counseling session with a public health nurse.
Amazingly, once parents had to do something other than check a box that said “I object to vaccinations,” the vaccination rates rose. I’d like to believe it’s because parents took the nurses’ lessons to heart, but the side of me who has actually dealt with parents who haven’t vaccinated their kids is pretty sure that these parents were just lazy.
Wouldn’t most of today’s adults in the US have personally experienced or seen someone with chicken pox and/or shingles (since the chicken pox vaccine only became available in the US in 1995)? Granted, not as big thing as polio, but shingles is sometimes a big pain to those afflicted.
Seems like if you value your kid’s life and health, you would prefer the vaccine over the disease. Especially when the risk of catching the disease is increased when there are more potential vectors (unvaccinated kids of anti-vaccine parents) running around.
Romani: " I AM for getting in between a parent and their children if the parents are going to passively kill their child".
So you oppose abortion then, logically, since that is the active killing of a child. Good to know. Logical consistency is important.
As I recall, you are not even a parent yet (which begs the question of why you are instructing parents what they should do on a parent forum - my apologies if you are indeed a parent). Assuming non-parenthood, you really don’t have a dog in this fight in regards to children, so it is really easy for you to dictate to others what they should do for their own children.
Aside: I was never even around a child before I had one. I remember - in my abject ignorance - thinking one time that you didn’t really get attached to children until they were old enough to be “people”, maybe 7 or 8. Cringe.
Reread the post by Dietz (above): “Drug tests for every pregnant woman? Forced incarceration? Maybe house arrest with no visitors for all pregnant women who are taking drugs? How about unvaccinated parents, they pose a danger and would need to be ‘gotten between’. On board? After all, they are not so passively trying to kill or main (sic) their child.”
I guess you’d round up almost all the elderly too? After all, they haven’t all had every single vaccine recommended today, because it wasn’t available and they now have lifelong immunity from measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, etc.
