<p>Oh Miami, go ask your doctor daughter about the importance of vaccines instead of spreading misinformation.</p>
<p>Some reading from the New England Journal of Medicine</p>
<p>[MMS:</a> Error](<a href=“http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1010594]MMS:”>http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1010594)</p>
<p>(despite the apparent error message the link works for me)</p>
<p>I feel edumacated.</p>
<p>Oh, great. Thought this one wasn’t giving anyone any trouble. From this morning’s paper:</p>
<p>[2</a> Wis. sisters claim HPV vaccine affected ovaries : Madisondotcom](<a href=“http://host.madison.com/news/state-and-regional/wis-sisters-claim-hpv-vaccine-affected-ovaries/article_4beedffd-ae2d-5ad4-a6c5-5f15a40c727c.html]2”>http://host.madison.com/news/state-and-regional/wis-sisters-claim-hpv-vaccine-affected-ovaries/article_4beedffd-ae2d-5ad4-a6c5-5f15a40c727c.html)</p>
<p>I don’t know that news about this vaccine is germane to the conversation, as disease is not contagious through casual contact and it’s not a required one… But interesting anyway.</p>
<p>Considering it happened to siblings, the odds are much, much higher that it has nothing to do with the vaccine than vice versa.</p>
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<p>Hmmm I wonder how that will play out.</p>
<p>Yeah, that doesn’t make any sense. The vaccine is active against the virus. It does not have any activity that I know of on the hormonal axis that is responsible for ovulation (a complex interplay of hypothalamic, adrenal and sex organ hormones which all work together to result in ovulation.) I can’t really wrap my head around how a vaccine against a virus would even have the occasion to encounter such hormones or hormone target organs. Sounds fishy. Maybe the girls have polyscytic ovary syndrome–that sounds more likely.</p>
<p>jaylynn, this is a much better article on the subject: [Sisters</a>’ HPV vaccine injury claim heads to federal court : Wsj](<a href=“http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/health_med_fit/sisters-hpv-vaccine-injury-claim-heads-to-federal-court/article_53ce9006-cc4b-5547-b1d2-6beb49417a02.html]Sisters”>http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/health_med_fit/sisters-hpv-vaccine-injury-claim-heads-to-federal-court/article_53ce9006-cc4b-5547-b1d2-6beb49417a02.html)</p>
<p>It’s a huge stress to say the least and one that can absolutely not be proven. Even if it COULD be proven, I don’t know if they have a case as this is clearly a freak occurrence. Those with a legal background will have to weigh in- I do not understand how these things work.</p>
<p>Roman…you need to go with scientific data, not anecdotes. Reminds me of all the parents that claim that vaccines “caused” autism.</p>
<p>A freak occurrence? They are genetically and environmentally related (unless there was something in the thread I missed).</p>
<p>(my post 448 should say “stretch” not “stress”)</p>
<p>lime, you cannot draw a definitive link between the two. The doctor is giving his opinion, but there is no real proof (from what I’ve read) that this caused their disorder. They don’t know what caused their condition.</p>
<p>I’m not giving an anecdote, I’m pointing out that- as of now- there is no known link between the two other than the disorder happened to appear after getting the shots. That doesn’t mean the shots caused it.</p>
<p>I’m sorry for those poor young women. But the evidence that the vaccine caused their condition is completely absent. There is no evidence at all that the vaccine caused their infertility.</p>
<p>I’ve actually been googling the supposed disorder that “caused” this (Autoimmune Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants). It appears to be the doctor that’s testifying’s baby. I can’t find any articles written about it not by him. </p>
<p>Not saying that’s a bad thing, but it doesn’t seem to be widely accepted yet… I wish there was more info about it.</p>
<p>Always be careful if the only “data” is provided by the zealot. </p>
<p>And yes, Romani was actually agreeing that anecdotes are not data.</p>
<p>The British doctor who claimed to find a link between autism and vaccines faked the data. He moved to the US (Texas, I think) and lost his license to practice medicine. [Journal</a> says doctor faked data linking autism to vaccines](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/05/AR2011010507052.html]Journal”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/05/AR2011010507052.html)</p>
<p><a href=“Council Bars Doctor Who Claimed Link Between Vaccines and Autism - The New York Times”>Council Bars Doctor Who Claimed Link Between Vaccines and Autism - The New York Times;
<p>"We assume seniors can weigh these issues for themselves. "
-very contradictory after assuming that parents are absolutely not capable of “weighing these issues for” for their kids and the rest us have to force them to vaccinate and completely disrespect their wish.<br>
So, is that we do not care for seniors or we have no respect for parents? Which one is the reason for forcing one group to vaccinate and NOT forcing another one (which has much higher risk as a great number of seniors and even younger ones with immune defficiencies will die from pnemonia.) BTW, there are case of shingles (believe it or not) among much younger population, I mean the group that is still in school. My D. mentioned that couple (or more) of her classmates had shingles while preparing for very challanging exam. I know that it is usually activated by chicken pox in your body. However, it is also contageous, unless you had a vaccine (which is also not 100% protedion).
I did not look at any statistics, but thinking thru the exposure of those with pnemonia and shingles in comparison to those with mums (example) to others who are not vaccinated against the desease, I bet that sick with pnemonia and shingles are causing many more cases of passing them to others than cases of childhood desease. And they also passing it to a population that is at much higher risk of never recovering from something like pnemonia.</p>
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I like mums. They are pretty flowers and brighten up the room.</p>
<p>These young women are going to need to prove CAUSATION, not correlation. Like Jaylynn, I’m not seeing how a vaccine targeting a virus is having this kind of effect on fertility, which is a complex system of hormonal and reproductive organ interaction. </p>
<p>I remember a young woman who claimed that the flu vaccine caused her to have dystonia. After no physician who treated her nor any reputable neurologists who viewed the videos of her would agree that this was dystonia and NOT a psychogenic movement disorder, an anti-vacc group rallied around her and tried to get the Dystonia Foundation on board for a campaign warning against flu vaccines. After viewing the videos of her, the Dystonia Foundation stated categorically that this young woman did NOT have dystonia. </p>
<p>From there her supporters took her to an osteopath with a questionable history, who proceeded to “cure her” in an impossibly short amount of time (by this time she was on death’s door) with chelation therapy for the “mercury poisoning” she received from her single vaccine. The young lady then joined the anti vaccine crusade with fervor.</p>
<p>The whole thing was a sad story of a vulnerable young woman with a psychogenic condition who was manipulated by people with an agenda. </p>
<p>I’m not saying this is what is happening here, but they are going to have a heavy burden of proof in order to win a lawsuit here. I don’t think ruling out the usual suspects for their disorder is going to rise to the level of proof they are going to need.</p>
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<p>NO NO NO. You are WRONG, Miami. You CANNOT pass shingles to other people. Please stop spreading nonsense. </p>
<p>The only contagious aspect of shingles is that if someone who has never had chicken pox is exposed to a person with shingles, that person may get chicken pox, NOT shingles. You CANNOT GIVE SHINGLES to another person. If your daughter has been paying attention in class, she will confirm this. If she does not, it simply means she’s just been listening to you for too darned long.</p>
<p>Regarding these sisters, is it documented that they were ovulating prior to the shot? Just because you are menstrating does not mean you are ovulating.</p>
<p>OOh. I missed that gem, Nrdsb4, about shingles being contagious (NOT). You are correct. Here is the explanation from WebMD [Is</a> shingles contagious? - WebMD Answers](<a href=“All Health Topics”>All Health Topics)
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