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<p>Amen, sister.</p>
<p>Fortunately there is a generous amount of people who understand the effects of their words and the need for proactive solutions that overcome those who work against their own ideals and are too set in their own ways to see it.</p>
<p>Since I currently have an infant I’m in the thick of things when it comes to the vax no vax deal. The problem isn’t that the refute of Wakefields study and subsequent disproval of the link hasn’t been publicized, the problem is that segment doesn’t believe it. Many point to the cases in Vaccine court that keep getting settled in favor of the parents asserting that the vaccine caused autism in their child. The courts say they are not settling as an admission that there is a link, but to the average scared out of their wits parent, that doesn’t wash. As I said earlier in this thread, I do have a son with High functioning autism, but I certainly don’t believe that vaccines caused it.</p>
<p>Agree with jaylynn. Amongst the healthcare professionals, Wakefield’s faked data and loss of his medical license was exposed. There were a few cases that reported an encephalopathy following immunization, but NOT a a cause of autism spectrum disorders. And several large settlements were paid out in lawsuits. [David</a> Kirby: Vaccine Court Awards Millions to Two Children With Autism](<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>HuffPost | Editor's Note) </p>
<p>But then, fringe websites mis-report the settlement and claim that the government admits that vaccines cause autism (flagrantly incorrect) and then site Wakefield’s debunked studies as supporting documentation. And one wonders why these false reports and people’s misperceptions persist?<br>
[The</a> Government Admits that Vaccines Cause Autism and are Dangerous, But they Wont Tell You That! | The Liberty Beacon](<a href=“http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2013/07/20/the-government-admits-that-vaccines-cause-autism-and-are-dangerous-but-they-wont-tell-you-that-10425/]The”>http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2013/07/20/the-government-admits-that-vaccines-cause-autism-and-are-dangerous-but-they-wont-tell-you-that-10425/)
However, IMO, the risk of exposing others to dangerous illnesses outweighs the risk of a person developing an adverse reaction to an inocculation. There is a risk to any medical procedure, and we sign informed consent releases before having procedures. It is OK to decline a procedure if it affects only the person having the procedure, but when it potentially affects others around them, its insensitive and selfish.</p>
<p>If you read Wakefield’s book you learn that he never suggested ppl should not immunize. Just that they should split the MMR into separate vaccines. Also <a href=“http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2013/06/21/new-published-study-verifies-andrew-wakefields-research-on-autism-again-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism/[/url]”>http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2013/06/21/new-published-study-verifies-andrew-wakefields-research-on-autism-again-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism/</a> We can shoot the messengers. That’s helpful.</p>
<p>That fringe-y website is fraught with distortion, inaccuracies and misinformation. It should be shot. “Messengers” of bad, wrong misinformation are dangerous.</p>
<p>** And was Wakefield’s book written before or after he faked his data? A true scientist will report the data accurately, and formulate recommendations accordingly.</p>
<p>Read his book and you can determine for yourself if he faked his data. Read the court records and same. The court records are all online. The book is at Amazon. There were other doc’s involved who were not shot. It’s a very interesting read and if you haven’t read it but are concerned with this topic it’s provides interesting insight.</p>
<p>I will stick to reading the accepted, peer reviewed journal articles. Not the publication of someone who has lost his license to practice medicine, and who engaged in a large conflict of interest, accepting financial backing from law firms planning to sue the vaccine manufacturers.</p>
<p>States do not willy nilly revoke medical licenses. There needs to be a strong reason to do so. If the state of Texas and the British Medical Council found reason to do so, thats good enough for me.</p>
<p>Did the state of Texas remove a US medical license from him? It is my understanding he never had a US medical license. He administered Thoughtful House in TX but stepped down when the S hit the F re/ his British license is my understanding. Meanwhile autistic kids continue to have gastro problems and parents (some not all) of autistic kids trace first symptoms to days after vaccine. We can listen or we can dismiss. I’m for listening to the parents. Re studies: Follow the money.</p>
<p>There is no such thing as a “US” license. Licenses are issued by state.</p>
<p>** You edited your post above, hugcheck, as your initial post had only one sentence. So I will respond:</p>
<p>To clarify, it appears that he was never licensed to practice in the US. He came to Texas to help set up an autism clinic.
[MMR</a> scare doctor Andrew Wakefield makes fortune in US - Times Online](<a href=“http://web.archive.org/web/20100602022723/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5728998.ece]MMR”>http://web.archive.org/web/20100602022723/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5728998.ece)
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<p>Yes-- Follow the money-- Wakefield was paid by lawfirms planning to sue the companies producing the vaccine.</p>
<p>Anecdotal claims are just that. If there is a true link between the vaccine and Autism, the research should be replicable. New research suggests that autism can be identified at 2-6 mos. This is important research: <a href=“http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/06/a-babys-gaze-may-signal-autism-study-finds/[/url]”>http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/06/a-babys-gaze-may-signal-autism-study-finds/</a></p>
<p><a href=“Tracking babies' eyes, scientists find signs of autism in 2-month-olds”>http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-autism-babies-eye-contact-two-months-20131106,0,7124658.story#axzz2kFoGjRHU</a></p>
<p>This is not the list any physician would like to be at the top of. Surely Wakefield was not pleased:
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<p>Because they withdrew their co-autorships and renounced Wakefield when they learned he had falsified his data.</p>
<p>And as for the court records, Wakefield tried to sue several publications and tv stations for libel, but dropped them and had to pay the defendants legal costs.</p>
<p>-I’ve heard Wakefield speak. He really does want to help those autistic kids. I do not think he’s a bad person. But he is a bad scientist, and a fraud.
-His study was a bad one, with an N=9. And data was falsified.
-He WAS paid by the parent group. Total conflict of interest.
-Splitting vaccines does not appear to be his point; it doesn’t jive with the study he presented.</p>
<p>It’s not about shooting the messenger. Because of him, so many bad things could happen. </p>
<p>And re anecdotal evidence. Science does listen to parents. Several years ago some parents reported that their autistic kids seemed to get better after receiving a med as a prep for a GI test. Because of this, a large multicenter study was done to examine the possibility (one of the centers was the teaching hospital where I did my residency). Multicenter, multiyear test---- results: no evidence that this med helped autistic kids’ symptoms. And it frustrates me when people say that no one listened to parents re the MMR association. They did. Studies and meta-analysis again and again showed no correlation. How can you say no one listened? In fact a lot of time, resources and energy was spent looking at the connection, or as it turned out, the lack of connection. As someone pointed out above, you can’t only accept results that support the conclusion you’ve already come to.</p>
<p>Jaylynn, thank you for that above post. I appreciate the balanced perspective you bring to the vaccine discussion.</p>
<p>I vaccinated my kids for everything, except the 3rd Gardasil vaccine for reasons I mentioned in another thread. I held out a while for chicken pox vaccine, but still got that before kid started kindergarten. </p>
<p>That said, I do not think it is a terrible idea for kids to not have shots bundled together. My kids were always so miserable afterwards. People have reactions to foods and medicines when taken at same time. Could someone be allergic to a component in vaccine? </p>
<p>I am not in medical field and have no knowledge of increasing certain vaccine administration increases reactions or not. There are chemicals and preservatives in vaccines. Could reactions be attributed not to the thing that is being immunized against, but the binders holding the vaccine together? </p>
<p>I know that some vaccines have different options for formulations, but I had no idea about any of this 20 plus years ago when a new parent!</p>
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<p>Why did that sentence all of a sudden make me feel so old??
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<p>I don’t see the need to not have vaccines bundled up, aside from the allergy standpoint. Get all the shots out the way and suck it up. The pain will go away.</p>
<p>I wish there was a rattlesnake vaccine. I got one for my dog (vet said it was no guarantee, but would likely give us time to get him to a vet for antivenom) since we have a lake house on 3 acres in west Texas and he is very curious and not likely to be warned off by the sound. But yesterday, DH was doing work around the house and turned a corner, only to be met by a rattlesnake who reared up, ready to strike if he felt the need. DH just happened to a have a shovel in his hand and took care of it. Then this morning, he went to check on the boat, which is 122 steps down from our cliff top house. He saw another one on a rock near the bottom of the stairs. That one retreated quickly under a rock. Now I’m a little paranoid to walk around outside, and I put the dog on a leash when I took him out today. But that doesn’t make a lot of sense, because the dog loves to run and explore outside. We’ve owned this house for 9 years and have never seen a snake on our property.</p>
<p>I just KNOW I’m going to have a bad dream about snakes. :(</p>