<p>My mother is almost positive her brother had Aspergers. Of course, that term didn’t exist “back then” and he was treated pretty harshly by teachers and others. He lost his battle to drugs and alcohol almost a decade ago so we’ll never know for sure. </p>
<p>Look back at old institution reports. There are “diseases” listed there that no longer exist because we recognize them as what they are now- ADD, ADHD, Autism, etc. And there were LOTS of people committed for them.</p>
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At least they’re no longer attributing autism to “refrigerator mothers.” That was just cruel.</p>
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<p>Would you mean observations like those described here?</p>
<p>[Wired</a> 9.12: The Geek Syndrome](<a href=“http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aspergers_pr.html]Wired”>The Geek Syndrome | WIRED)</p>
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<p>I have an old friend who I keep in contact via facebook. She has a son who is the same age as my daughter who has autism. He just posted a video in youtube that puts the blame sqarely on vaccinations he received as a baby.
I cringed when I read it
She is a strong advocate for eating an organic diet, free of artificial food dyes. He is in a specialized school and seems to be thriving , but I don’t agree with the message of not immunizing your children against common threats and diseases</p>
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<p>^^^^^^Yes.</p>
<p>From the NYT: "[A] new study, published on Monday in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, offers another explanation. Using baboons, the researchers found that recently vaccinated animals continued to carry the infection in their throats. Even though those baboons did not get sick from it, they spread the infection to others that were not vaccinated.</p>
<p>“When you’re newly vaccinated you are an asymptomatic carrier, which is good for you, but not for the population,” said Tod J. Merkel, the lead author of the study, who is a researcher in the Office of Vaccines Research and Review in the Food and Drug Administration."</p>
<p><a href=“Whooping Cough Study May Offer Clue on Surge - The New York Times”>Whooping Cough Study May Offer Clue on Surge - The New York Times;
<p>If the link does not work google Whooping Cough Study May Offer Clue on Surge.</p>
<p>“The researchers found that recently vaccinated animals continued to carry the infection in their throats. Even though those baboons did not get sick from it, they spread the infection to others that were not vaccinated.”</p>
<p><a href=“Whooping Cough Study May Offer Clue on Surge - The New York Times”>Whooping Cough Study May Offer Clue on Surge - The New York Times;
<p>Doesn’t anyone else find this totally mind blowingly stunning??? Jeeps, what if similar is true not only for whooping cough but also for stuff like mumps, rubella and (the disease whose name must not be mentioned)? That would mean a vaccinated pregnant woman whose 2 year old gets vaccinated or who comes in contact with a recently vaccinated youngster could be exposing the fetus to virus shed by the newly vaccinated person with whom she came in contact. She would not get sick; her 2 year old or the recently vaccinted person would not get sick; her unvaccinated developing baby could be exposed. Am I missing something logical here? </p>
<p>Side effects of these childhood diseases? Seizures, muteness, developmental delays, and etc.</p>
<p>I’m not sure what your point is, hugcheck (legitimately, I can’t figure out what you’re asking… not trying to be antagonistic 
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<p>This is why it’s important for everyone who can to get vaccinated. That’s what herd immunity is for.</p>
<p>Rge, perhaps I’m confused - seriously - I suppose a vaccinated mom won’t transmit virus to her fetus? I don’t really know. Virus from a newly vaccinated youngster? If the newly vaccinated youngster is carrying that virus in the throat but not sick with the illness? Or say to a newborn pre vaccination? The older sibling of a newborn gets vaccinated and comes home not sick but shedding the virus? I guess I never thought that during the days just after being vaccinated a person would shed the virus. It seemed like a big deal when I read that - new info for me at least.</p>
<p>I could be wrong, but it appears that this phenomenon may be unique to pertussis and especially to the acellular pertussis vaccine (and not the older whole-cell vaccine that no one uses any more.)</p>
<p>Monkeys given the whole-cell vaccine cleared the infection quickly, unlike those given the acellular vaccine. According to this article, the reason that the acellular pertussis vaccine resulted in colonization was that there is a mismatch between the vaccine and the natural infection.</p>
<p>[Whooping</a> Cough Vaccine’s ‘Mismatched’ Protection May Explain Recent Surge In Cases](<a href=“http://www.medicaldaily.com/whooping-cough-vaccines-mismatched-protection-may-explain-recent-surge-cases-263758]Whooping”>Whooping Cough Vaccine's 'Mismatched' Protection May Explain Recent Surge In Cases) </p>
<p>There’s no indication that this result can be generalized to other vaccines. There’s not even any evidence (yet) that this phenomenon occurs in humans.</p>
<p>I’m not a microbiologist, so excuse me if I’m wrong…</p>
<p>I had the same impression, scout… I will leave it to those with better microbio backgrounds than I do though (microbiology is most definitely NOT my area lol)</p>
<p>Some live attenuated vaccines can result in viral shedding. Most vaccines are made from viruses that have been killed and thus can’t transmit disease. The annual flu vaccine comes in two forms-a live nasal version and a dead injection. That’s why people with immune disorders or people living with those undergoing immune-supressing therapies such as chemotherapy should not be given the flu mist.</p>
<p>Rge, perhaps I’m confused - seriously - I suppose a vaccinated mom won’t transmit virus to her fetus? I don’t really know. Virus from a newly vaccinated youngster? If the newly vaccinated youngster is carrying that virus in the throat but not sick with the illness? Or say to a newborn pre vaccination? The older sibling of a newborn gets vaccinated and comes home not sick but shedding the virus? I guess I never thought that during the days just after being vaccinated a person would shed the virus. It seemed like a big deal when I read that - new info for me at least.>>>>>>>>>></p>
<p>Live vaccines are contraindicated in pregnant women. Most viruses are killed. When my boys were little and got live polio vaccine, my dh and I were warned to avoid contact with their poopy diapers for several days as they might be shedding the virus. A fully vaccinated mother passes her immunities to her child and if she breastfeeds exclusively, it is thought this is an extra dosing of her antibodies in her milk.
As for pertussis, it is now known that this is one of those that needs booster shots. The updated “tetanus shot” contains tetanus,diphtheria and pertussis now. It is so so important to protect newborns from pertussis as they do not get vaccinated till 2 months old and it’s a series of, I believe, three shots so even after 2 months, they aren’t fully protected.
My 92 year old mother remembers babies dying from whooping cough. She said it is a sound that can haunt you, that cough.</p>
<p>Actually, cerebellar ataxia has been known to develop from chickenpox. So even though I never had the actual disease, I still contracted the side effects, because the vaccine is made from a weakened but still living chickenpox virus. Kinda lame. Oh well.</p>
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<p>D2 was less than two months old when D1 came down with chicken pox… a really bad case. D2 never got it (well, until she was in 5th grade). I attribute that to exclusively breastfeeding her at the time.</p>
<p>As noted above, shedding used to be an issue with polio vaccine, but that was with the oral (live) polio vaccine. I believe that most of the common childhood vaccines in use today contain either killed or inactivated organisms. The MMR (measles-mumps-rubbella) vaccine is one notable exception.</p>
<p>Dodgersmom that is why I found the NYT article stunning. The new finding is that the whooping cough vaccine causes newly vaccinated baboons to have spreadable bug in their throats.</p>
<p>Eht1rb interesting - you have the side effect of the illness from the vaccine? Can you say more please? How old were you when you got the vaccination; how long before the side effect of ataxia hit; how do you know it’s from the vaccine and so forth. Sorry to hear you have ataxia - is that imbalance or dizziness of some sort?</p>
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<p>The actual research paper is here: [Acellular</a> pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model](<a href=“http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/11/20/1314688110]Acellular”>http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/11/20/1314688110)</p>
<p>According to the abstract of the research paper, the baboons vaccinated with the acellular or whole-cell pertussis vaccine and then infected with the actual pertussis bacteria. The baboons receiving the acellular vaccine was colonized by the bacteria and protected from severe pertussis symptoms, but was able to transmit the bacteria to others.</p>
<p>In other words the acellular pertussis vaccine by itself does not cause the vaccinated baboon to become a carrier of pertussis, but does allow a potentially subclinical infection with pertussis, during which the infected baboon is contagious.</p>
<p>Thank you UCB that clarifies it for me.</p>
<p>Well knock me over with a feather, McCarthy’s kid never had autism. Can’t find a non blog link atm because I’m on phone but you can search.</p>
<p>Just when I thought it wasn’t possible to be more disgusted by the situation. </p>
<p>Glad her child is improving. Wonder if she’ll ever feel remorse for the children that’ll never recover because of her lies and pseudoscience.</p>