Today at 12:14 pm
“Did we immunize the 1000’s of children that just came flooding across the border? Curious that an outbreak would be in one of the State’s heavily affected by that group of kids.”
All the kids who were harbored at the children’s home near me were screened and found healthy.
And I doubt that these kids who have come unattended or even with poor parents are hanging out at Disneyland.
As KKmama said: All the kids were checked by medical professionals, and in many case vaccinated. I don’t knwo where people are getting that story, but it’s factually false.
The current outbreak started in Disneyland (where poor immigrant children very seldom go), not last summer from children who mostly are not in California.
I don’t know why people are doubting that poor immigrant children go to Disneyland. They do, of course. But, this particular strain seems to be from overseas not Central America.
I have to say that a lot of things were not diagnosed in our generation that are diagnosed now. I didn’t realize I had asthma until I was an adult. H didn’t realize it either, and his father was a physician. Asthma people had attacks and turned blue - or so I thought - which happens at only the most serious and threatening times. It is probably the same with autism, ADHD, etc.
Immigrant children may go to Disneyland. Not a lot of poor kids do.
Apparently Mississippi and West Virginia are pretty close.
I don’t care where it came from. It is simply stupid to believe that in this world, geography alone protects any region from the spread of otherwise preventable disease.
People decided they could get away with not vaccinating because of ignorance and trend-following. Oooh, my cute tan wealthy whatEVER neighbor thinks vaccinations are bad, I want to be like her. I want to fit in to the wiser-than-science natural holistic mumbojumbo crowd. We’re safe, nobody actually gets tetanus or polio or measles, and [insert celebrity] says it causes [insert unsupported claim].
This is what we get in a country full of science-ignorant people, who have the attention span of gnats and the overwhelming need to be irresponsible at any cost and label it Freedom in 'Merica…Yes, I’m furious and scared. For my child, the people like him, and stupidity that puts them at risk.
A one-day ticket for one person costs one hundred dollars and you don’t know why we doubt the poor go to Disneyland??!!!
“They do, of course. But, this particular strain seems to be from overseas not Central America.”
Why do you continue to be fixated on this? You’re completely missing the bigger point - one Patient Zero will have the disease spread quickly in an unvaxed pop, whereas it stops in its tracks in a high-vaxed pop.
Why do you continue to be fixated on this? You’re completely missing the bigger point - one Patient Zero will have the disease spread quickly in an unvaxed pop, whereas it stops in its tracks in a high-vaxed pop.
True. What I’m unconvinced of is that the population of Disneyland is full of too many anti-vaxxers kids as opposed to other groups of unvaccinated such as tourists or the clueless or too long ago vaccinated adults. But, I’m not fixated. That was a response to something about the border kids for whom I think a trip to Disneyland could very well have happened if they ultimately landed in Southern CA.
I just heard a very sad story from a client. Her daughter’s best friend has a daughter, now 4, who contracted Pertussis and an infant and among other horrible complications was a growth plate disorder that has required many, many surgeries over the years. In searching I found what looks like that story on a blog that I can’t post, but there were many more stories of the ravages of Pertussis on newborns. It is truly horrifying an more common that we think. I live in a Pertussis hot zone and it doesn’t matter where it came from, once it has a foothold in the community everyone is at risk.
marie1234: Because a ticket to Disney for a day cost 96 dollars (I thought about going recently). Poor people (immigrant or not) like the central American children most certainly cannot afford that.
And most of them are not living in California. You can check the data at the DHS website.
Well, they went to live with someone, obviously. Also, there are many, many organizations that pass out Disneyland tickets to volunteers to give to the needy. But, it’s cheaper for S CA residents and you can get a yearly pass for a couple of hundred bucks. Many poor students in the area make it their second home, actually.
The poor in California must live different than the poor in the rest of the country. A couple hundred bucks is a lot of money for the truly poor. I know this measles outbreak is suppose to have started at Disneyland but can we move on?
OK, I give up. Do you have ANY evidence that those children (who were vaccinated and checked for medical diseases when they were in immigrant detention centers) went to Disneyland? No, not what could have happened if they were invited. Most of them are not residents of So Cal, and their families are probably not making across the country vacations to Disney.
So, there is one complicated and convoluted theory which implies very poor immigrant children, who received medical checks, vaccines -so they didn’t have measles-, etc. in detention centers, receiving a donation or gift to go to Disney from far away, and starting an outbreak.
Or a simple one. A wealthy California kid (Cali has one of the highest rates of anti-vaxxers) with measles visited Disneyland in California where many other Californians also not vaccinated were at the time.
But of course you believe the convoluted one for which you have zero evidence to support it. I give up.
Also: Look at the vaccination rates for measles here.
There is a higher % of vaccination in Nicaragua than the United States: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.IMM.MEAS/countries
You are welcome
Okay, here’s my next issue. Exemptions. If you can get a even so much as medical exemption your basic over-privileged OC housewife will find alternative medicine practitioner to give her one if that’s what she has her heart set on doing. So, the best solution seems to be fear of measles. Maybe, the ongoing outbreak will help.
It doesn’t take “too many” anti-vaxxers. It just takes a few to get something and take it back to their hives of like minded families who can then spread it at large. Measles is contagious enough and persistent enough in the environment that it wouldn’t be such a game of numbers to get an outbreak started. At any rate . . . if these phantom “border kids” were also unvaccinated and helped to spread the infection their legal status or place of origin doesn’t trump their vaccination status. If “border kids” running amok can spread diseases certainly wealthier, raw milk and kimchi eating youngsters can just as easily . . . if unvaccinated.
So the central question is what does it matter? Even if somehow this outbreak was started by and impacted some immigrant population exclusively would prove rather than disprove that a critical mass of unvaccinated people is a dangerous thing. The idea of diseases coming from overseas should not absolve parents here from taking responsibility for the health of their kids and the community as a whole. Rather it should serve as a wake up call that the world is small and that none of us live in some utopian biosphere where everyone is healthy and happy and lives forever.
The diseases don’t care if people are susceptible because they are anti-vaccination, need a booster, can’t get vaccinated for health reasons or just didn’t bother. The health departments work hard to get kids vaccinated who might not be due to lack of access to care or information. It’s the people who have all the information and access to care in the world but choose not to take advantage of it who spark ire because they are willfully putting themselves and others at risk.
It needs to be harder to get the exemption than it is to get vaccinated