When to Worry About Possible Computer Game Addiction

<p>Well, let me snip a quote from a contemporary spiritual teacher, delivered in the context of how the experiences that we seek out may foster or hinder our development: "Cigarettes are no problem; and cigarettes can be a big problem. Alcohol is no problem; and alcohol can be a big problem." He could have just as well added "Video/computer games are no problem, and V/C games can be a big problem."</p>

<p>The games are not instrinsically evil. In moderation, harmless amusement, no worse than zoning out on a TV show now and then. The problem is when the "just one more hit" attitude surfaces, and the gamer progresses from, metaphorically, a few cigarettes a day to two packs a day. Addiction to gaming = escaping into a fantasy world, taking time and attention from real life. We all pretty much know addiction when we see it - some students may be in denial about it, but they know too. When addiction is present, a parent should take it seriously, in my opinion. </p>

<p>One of my friends is a psychiatrist who does not allow his children to play video/computer games in his house, because he's seen too many sad, addicted gamers in their 30s who have lost the ability to have meaningful relationships with others, or enjoy other hobbies and personal projects. Instead they kept sinking deeper into the matrix of virtual reality and the facsimile of social interaction that these games offer as a substitute for life, until they became frightened and sought professional help. Some were addicted to online porno as well - not much room for real life at all. </p>

<p>I would say that if the 360 degree 'pie chart' of a student's life is no more than roughly 10-12% waking hours per day spent playing V/C games, and if they have a good strong network of friends, at least one major interest (a sport, the arts, club activities, etc.) to which significant time and effort is devoted, and their grades match their abilities, you probably don't have to worry. If you notice that the percentage of time spent gaming increases, watch the other areas, and if there is slippage and/or you notice personality changes, it is time for a serious talk. I suggest counseling in problem cases, as just the fact of being with a professional facilitator is usually enough to make a dent in denial. In the presence of a skilled counselor, the student may be willing to face the deficits that have resulted in their excessive gaming.</p>

<p>Escape comes in many packages. :) Reading books, watching movies or tv, playing video/computer games, listening to music, sleeping. If in moderation, you can take what you may learn from the escape and put it back into your life. The information may help you cope with a problem or put things in perspective. It may give you a feeling of control for a period of time when you are feeling you have none in your regular life. It may help you to relax. Nothing wrong with escape. Like others have said, it is all in the percentages.</p>

<p>I like it when the story continues so we know the outcome.</p>

<p>Well I thought I was being too paranoid and concerned about his gaming and started to post a few times that ol dad was just too concerned. However, this is what happened about two months later.</p>

<p>DS called me at 4:30 AM during exam week in a panic. He had not even looked at his last couple of BIO II grades and had just calculated that even with a 100 on the final, he could not get a B in this pre-med course. He got a C in BIo II and due to a one point gneral curve increase after the final in Chem II he got a B. He needed that last point! This from a kid who had A's in BIO I, Chem I and Calc III the first semester fresh yr. He also started with the first tests in BIO II a 96 and Chem II with a 100, essentially A pluses.</p>

<p>Turns out he was playing computer games as much as 8 to 9 hrs a day and talking to GF long distance about 1 !/2 hrs per day. He got up to Level 60, in Warcrafte, the highest, and made fast friends with his RA and other honors gamers and probable addicted kids on his floor. Hooray!!</p>

<p>At least DS hung in their and finished the exams and the semeser. A week after finals, later on the day she got back from Oberlin, GF announced she was breaking up for him. (BTW we love the GF, but that is another story). </p>

<p>The good news first. DS is more stable than ol dad at that age and he weathered the break up and the disappointment over grades very well from a stability point of view.</p>

<p>Now DS redeemed himself by taking advantage of last minute cancellation,which he had to act on with a couple days notice. He took the spot of a previously committed volunteer and went to do an 8 week volunteer stint with Amigos de Las Americas in a rural Nicaraguan village as a more or less public health educator for school kids. He will be back on Aug 15.</p>

<p>Parentals,as he might call them, are very pleased with this as this fits in with his and his parent's values and he is obviously detoxxed from Warcraft, as he is no where near a broadband connection. </p>

<p>Now what to do. We are hoping that he will agree to see a psychologist--hopefully one interested in computer addiction.</p>

<p>TexDad. If DS will agree, it sounds like a very good idea for him to talk with someone who understands the strong pull that video games exert on some - especially on boys. I have a rising HS senior son who enjoys video games, and has spent too much time on them in the past. Thankfully, he finally got off the couch this summer, and is working/studying, so video game hours are limited. I'm wondering, though, if he will find himself in the same situation your son has at UT. It's a scary thought, but forewarned is forearmed! Hope all goes well with your son. :)</p>

<p>I posted in another forum that computer/video games were among the worst inventions of my lifetime. Some disagreed but I still feel that way, strongly.
Of course chat boards would be second, but................</p>

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Hello CC</p>

<p>I’ve been trolling here for awhile and have some WoW experience so decided to post.</p>

<p>Our 13 year old, 8th grade son has been playing WoW since its 23 November 2004 release date. In the spirit of ‘if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em’, I play also. A few ideas to make your child’s excursions in the World of Azeroth (WoW’s planet) more bearable:</p>

<p>1) Monitor his time played with the ‘/played’ command. The command reports a character’s total played time in days, hours and minutes. Note that this is for that one character’s time, if your account has a ‘main’ ‘toon and several ‘alts’ you need to sum all the ‘toons ‘/played’ amounts. In my son’s case, he has 34 days played, which is about 7% of the 485 days since the game’s release, or about 1 hour, 40 minutes of daily play time. I gave my son these numbers and his response had two points. First, he watches essentially no TV, secondly, his big sister ‘wastes’ a lot more time then that on IM and/or listening to her IPOD.</p>

<p>2) A big problem with end-game (anyone lvl 60) WoW is that the 40-man instance runs (Molton Core, Black Wing Lair, and Ahn’Qiraj 40-man) take a long time, easily 4-6 hours. Also, the most intense time of the run is at the end, where the raid group is marshalling all its resources to beat the last boss – my son’s guild is currently stuck on Firemaw in BWL. DCing (disconnecting) at this point of the run is very poor WoW etiquette, and a sure way to get thrown out of a guild if it happens with any frequency. We allow our son one long run a week on Sunday afternoon, which is basically open-ended to allow him to stay for the entire run. The rest of the week he is limited to one hour per day.</p>

<p>3) Try to make sure your son/daughter is in a ‘good’ guild. The demeanor of guilds varies greatly. At one point I made my son quit a guild which I considered particularly churlish. Most established guilds have their own web sites where they schedule raid times and have forum discussions, you can get a good idea of a guild’s tone here. Also, spend a few minutes watching the green guild chat scrolling in the WoW chat window – this will tell you everything you need to know about a guild’s character. My son’s current guild has several women/girl players who have a definite moderating effect on some of the high-testosterone males.</p>

<p>All in all, I’ve been pleased with my son’s WoW experience. He has become an awesome typist (much the same as my daughter has via AIM) and has learned some group work/coordination skills – the Ventrillo raid discussions remind me of the conference calls I engage in daily, they’re just a lot more fun. Most of all, he has learned that we’re serious about him doing his homework, practicing piano, and playing sports before playing his hour of WoW as a reward for being such a great kid.

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!? I thought this was <a href="http://www.worldofwarcraft.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.worldofwarcraft.com&lt;/a> lol.</p>

<p>I think one of the reasons why people get "addicted" to computer games is because they have nothing better to do. I remember I used to play about 6~7 hours of WoW a day during last summer in Korea because all my friends were in America and I couldn't get a job.</p>

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During a typical gaming lifetime, a player may get bored or find out he misses much of Real Life. However, the guild members will keep calling and talking you out of leaving. Please be aware that it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to play "just a bit" for fun. Peer pressure to join on a specific quest or speciifc kill is EVER present. IMHO the only way to quit is cold turkey, by deleting the character -although that may backfire as characters can be revived! </p>

<p>I do not want to disappoint you, but in addition to be impossible for a PLAYER to control gametime or quit. it is even harder to FORCE someone to quit. As Jmmom wrote, my account was personal. I played for a long time and successfully fooled my parents, coaches, and teachers. I started playing in middle school. I never missed homework, I still participated in all sports and activities. However, I did do the bare minimum to keep my grades up and quickly learned to function on 1 to 3 hours of sleep. And as we know, that is not enough for anyone to be competitive.

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I would like to add that this is seriously mistaken.<br>
Yes, I used to be "addicted" to WoW (although I remain adamant that I was not addicted, for it did not prevent me from interacting socially or getting good grades...), but it is not "IMPOSSIBLE" just to play for fun. I still play WoW, about couple of hours during weekend, during which I go online and "just play for fun". Just because some people cannot exercise control mean that this is a universal rule. </p>

<p>Same with smoking I guess... people say how addictive it is but I've been a "casual smoker" for the past year or so, meaning I'll have a ciggy now and then if I feel like it, but there is no yearning for it if I don't smoke for long periods.</p>

<p>You know, there are really two schools of thought on this issue that I've noticed. There are the parents who want to regulate everything "for the good of the kid", and there are the parents who let the kid figure out things for himself if they aren't life-threatening.</p>

<p>I'm very happy to say that my parents fall in the latter group, not due to not caring, but because they believe I should learn things on my own, or I won't understand the reasons behind it.</p>

<p>To give an example, last summer I played an online game called Guild Wars for about 12 hours a day, almost everyday, very competitively. Now to most of you that sounds insane, but that would be because you have little knowledge of games and their impact. You may see it as a waste of time and something that is just for fun and will have no lasting benefit, like most tv these days, but that isn't true. Every since I was 7 I've been a "gamer", it started with those little kiddie educational games, and then moved up to strategy "Age of Empires" type of game, then on to various action and role-player online games (similar to WoW, but I never got into that specific game too much).</p>

<p>This summer, I started by reading books about business management, finance, and various other books for my own enjoyment. I got a job and have been working about 40 hours a week at Best Buy advising people like most of you about purchasing computers, and any other issue they may have with their computers. I've also realized I really enjoy leadership roles and excel in that capacity. None of this would've happened if it weren't for my extensive background in gaming. It has really impacted me as a person drastically, I discovered my skill in directing people during those 12 hours days of Guild Wars when I had a headset on and was organizing, preparing, strategizing, or leading a group of fellow players against other teams of competitors around the from the US, Korea, or Europe. I've become a lot less shy over the years as a result of interaction with many friends I've met online. Furthermore, the in-depth knowledge I have about computer hardware came as a direct result of interest in gaming.</p>

<p>Now just so you don't think that gaming is all I do, I've been involved with sports over the years including cross country, track, and football; I'm in the International Baccalaureate Program at my school and finished junior year in the upper 3% of my class. I still play games a few hours a week, but not anywhere near the degree to which I used to play them, and this was all just a choice I made on my own. Since my parents never limited me, I just naturally decided I wanted to put more time into my social life, or into academics, or for reading, and the gaming was halted.</p>

<p>I'm just very fortunate that my parents have allowed me to pursue my interests which have aided my growth as an individual, rather than feeling they needed to control every aspect of my life. I've always had a great relationship with my parents as well and respect their opinions; they still allow me to make my own decisions in the end, and as a result of their advice and my own experience, those decisions usually turn out well. I probably wouldn't be half as well of as I am if I had one of you "only 1 hour of computer a day because I say so" parents.</p>

<p>To be clear, I totally understand where you're coming from, but it's very similar to the idea of deliberately letting your kid not due his homework one day, failing it, and feeling so guilty and horrible about it, he now does his homework all on his own; as opposed to the constant nagging which would be necessary if the child never learned that lesson.</p>

<p>Remember this if nothing else: You always want your child to do what you tell them to do, but you'll feel very proud if your child makes those decisions on their own. Similarly, they'll learn SO much more by making decisions on their own rather than having you do everything for them.</p>

<p>P.S. All of you will most likely still impose the same limits as you would anyway, but don't be surprised if you child turns out to be one of those people who is <em>always</em> the follower, and needs someone to make decisions for them.</p>

<p>As a rising senior who was until recently just as obsessed as your son, let me say this: that game came very close to if not ruining my life, at least effecting it very negatively. I would play the game until 1 A.M. on schoolnights, skimping on homework and studying. It also put a negative effect on my social life.</p>

<p>Trust me. Your son needs to quit. I don't care if he does it voluntarily or if you make him, if you love him you will find a way to stop him from playing.</p>

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Trust me. Your son needs to quit. I don't care if he does it voluntarily or if you make him, if you love him you will find a way to stop him from playing.

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<p>I love people who don't have self-control. I know it's harsh, but maybe it's YOU and not THE GAME.</p>

<p>Still, perhaps this is a blessing in disguise. You now know you have an addictive personality and shouldn't be caught dead experimenting with drugs.</p>

<p>A bit earlier a "detox" clinic for game addicts opened in Europe.</p>

<p>I'm an avid gamer and I'm probably going to go into the games industry, but I won't blindly defend them. Some people have addictive personalities, and those can very well manifest with games. Read Tim Buckley's take on the subject: <a href="http://www.cad-comic.com/news.php?i=1131%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cad-comic.com/news.php?i=1131&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I agree with Ari.</p>

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Some people have addictive personalities, and those can very well manifest with games.

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<p>And with movies, and with long distance running, and with pretty much any hobby that has a repetitive, dopamine inducing component involved...</p>

<p>I've found that my in-game habits also translate to real life pursuits. In a simple example, I found that I am a very good defensive player in Counter-strike and Natural Selection, always guarding base or being one of the last lines of defense. I mirror this in real life by playing goalie in soccer, safety in football, and defense middie in lacrosse. I think that honestly the leadership skills I gained after playing these games has been invaluable in my development as a person. I would not like for someone else to not get the same chance to grow.</p>

<p>I also play WoW, but have been limited to 15 minutes a day just checking auctions due to 13 hour work days. I also just get on to talk to my friends.</p>

<p>In summary, games can very well be good for a person. :)</p>

<p>Well, why not give my story too.</p>

<p>I have played video games regularly since I was 5 years old and I got an SNES (Super Nintendo). </p>

<p>Basically, I play in spurts. I did for my entire HS career and I will for my college career. I may go months without playing a videogame (there is an exception which I will get to) in the traditional sense (read, a console or computer program), and then I'll find a game I'm either interested in or re-discover an older game and play for 5-6 hours a day for a week, or even more. And then, when the game ends, I go into another lull where I don't do that.</p>

<p>The one major exception for me is the Out of the Park Baseball Series. I'm in two leagues (will be one by the time I get to college and has been either one or zero for the past three years) where I, along with 29 other owners, has control over one of the thirty teams, and takes the role of the general manager and coach: making trades, signing free agents, setting lineups, and so on, think of it as a simplified management system. I do spend a fair amount of time, changing each day depending on needs. If I'm trying to negotiate a big trade, I may spend hours working on the league. If it's a day between "sims" (10-15 game periods of time), then I may spend no time on it. It goes on a daily basis. However, that is the one game I'm "addicted" to, although when I get tired of it, I'm done with it. It's that simple.</p>

<p>There's my videogame background.</p>

<p>As for my opinion, I'm fully with the moderation crowd, although my threshold for moderation is higher than most people. Typically, I think the two camps (while it's a generalization, I'll call them the gamer and the non-gamer camps) both overgeneralize and both miss the mark (IMO) on this issue. I'll just lay out my platform here.</p>

<p>A. Videogames, specifically ones with previously mentioned "endgame" or neverending ones, can and are addictive to certain people. Also, there are different types of "addictive". A week-long addictive, where a person will play a lot per day, but will tire of it within a week or two. There's a different kind of addictive, described by the experience of EQ Widows and people who are actually addicted psychologically to the experience.</p>

<p>B. The bad qualities of video games (lacking socialization for instance) are overrated by the non-gamer crowd and, I think, underrated by the gamer crowd. Playing a lot of video games (and I'm pretty convinced of this) will not, alone, make a person an outcast or an anti-social person (not the psychological ailment, more in the society sense). It can be bad, it can be good. I think that video games, with real human interaction involved (preferably in person), can provide a similar social experience to any club or sporting event. Not exactly the same of course, but similar.</p>

<p>C. The power of videogames in terms of development are both underrated and overrated, and it depends on the crowd for the specific part. I doubt, without SERIOUS problems on other ends, that a videogame will turn a person into a homicidal maniac or someone with serious psychological problems. Seeing animated pixels (in a game the player hacked no less to get it) having partially censored sex will not scar the next generation (Ms. Clinton). In that sense, the negative effects are overrated by much of the non-gaming crowd. Likewise, the positive aspects are often underrated by the crowd. A Gran Turismo game is a pretty nice simulation of driving and the car racing world in general. The educational information within games (educational or not) is helpful. Likewise, the reverse is true about the gaming crowd. Excessive game playing can be harmful, and it's not a good simulation for real life.</p>

<p>D. In terms of my life, I regret none of my game playing. I do not believe it has harmed me any more than doing what I would do instead has, and I don't feel that games have restricted my life. Likewise, I don't think they have had a hugely positive effect either, other than providing countless hours of entertainment for me and introducing me to the wonderful world of internet message boards.</p>

<p>I don't think, that even serious game playing, will adversely affect a teenager, especially one who is a sophomore in college. It is of my belief that studying is not #2 on a gamer's list, so they would go to #2 on their list of their games were taken away indefinitely. Once it gets to an addiction stage (which I would place as an uncontrollable urge to play the game on a fairly continuous basis, stopping for food, sleep, and necessary actions), then there is a problem. But as someone who spends the vast majority of his time playing video games or on the internet (more the second part), I know that my social network increased five-fold from sophomore (from when I started my OOTP phase) year to senior year, and I raised my grades significantly (last quarter of the year: one of 5 (5 out of 124) on the Seniors Principal's List, raised my rank 15 spots from the end of Junior Year).</p>

<p>Basically, for those who see a wall of text and don't want to read: videogames are an entertainment medium that I believe is slightly more dynamic than movies or television, and unless the teenager/adult is severely addicted, I don't think the problem really exists. JM2C</p>

<p>I played WoW for about 6 months last year. Got my character all the way up to level 60 and then quit. Why? Because once I got to the top of the heap, there really wasn't anything else for me to do. Now, here is the clincher. I took 5 months to get up to level 50. Now, keep in mind, I busted level 30 in the first month I had it because I got the game around Xmas, and that wasn't hard to do with only 2-3 hours of play on an intense day and then a day or two off and then on again. The next 4, I got maybe 5 levels a month. I could say I was relatively under control, but... when I got to level 60 and was expected to do Core Runs and stuff (This is where players get the best equipment) and these runs can take hours, i said: "Sorry, I'm out." Cancelled the account and started my year abroad and never looked back. I doubt I will return to WoW now. I only broke 60 in the week (was level 55 at that point, and four weeks into my summer break) after surgery and stopped playing. </p>

<p>Interestingly enough, WoW was pretty easy to walk away from once the account was cancelled.</p>

<p>I quit for a while, but now I'm back. Starting Sept. and grad school, I'll probably quit again.</p>

<p>This is part of being an adult. Making decisions. Time management. Knowing when to stop something fun and get your arse in gear.</p>

<p>Too bad most people never understand that, and instead spend their lives blaming other things for their own shortcomings.</p>

<p>Oh, and Andrew, MC runs are so last patch. It's all about Naxx and taking down Kel'Thuzad now. :p</p>

<p>I haven't played in nearly a year, Ari ;)</p>

<p>I know, I was being facetious. I figured as much. </p>

<p>WTB sarcasm filter online, PST, serious offers only.</p>