<p>I like the other links also, but some of the info is old and hard to sift thru - especially if you don’t want to go to a lowish tier school that might be a commuter/suitcase school. We need another mom like momfromtexas to further update the whole thing…LOL</p>
<p>Why? Guess I don’t understand the purpose or advantage of the racial/ethnic questions. My kids are 1/4 Native American but decline to answer them…they haven’t grown up disadvantaged due to their heritage and would not accept any aid or advantage that is reserved for those who have!</p>
<p>Thanks for the links, I’l check them out :)</p>
<p>“Why? Guess I don’t understand the purpose or advantage of the racial/ethnic questions. My kids are 1/4 Native American but decline to answer them…they haven’t grown up disadvantaged due to their heritage and would not accept any aid or advantage that is reserved for those who have!”</p>
<p>Asian applicants may face discrimination in the admission process at many elite universities, according to data from a recent study conducted by sociology professor Thomas Espenshade GS ’72.</p>
<p>According to the data, not all races are considered equal in the college admissions game. Of students applying to private colleges in 1997, African-American applicants with SAT scores of 1150 had the same chances of being accepted as white applicants with 1460s and Asian applicants with perfect 1600s.</p>
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Excuse me for being somewhat envious of other minorities. I have a friend who is attending Duke this year. He has the same ACT score as me, less extracurriculars and has taken less AP classes. He is also hispanic. Lets see if I also get into Duke. If I do, then I’ll shut my mouth. But let’s see.</p>
<p>If you choose not to self-identify, how will they know your ethnic origin at all? I guess that’s the point I was trying to make. I guess it might be apparent with some obviously Asian names, but 1997 is not quite recent, as far as admissions data goes, and I wonder if that is still true.</p>
<p>There’s a big difference between being a lawyer and being an English professor, but you’ll find that out soon enough. The biggest difference is that normally, you do not pay for a PhD. Your undergrad does not matter much - you want to go somewhere that will give you good preparation in English and lots of writing experience, but you don’t have to go to a top school to get into a good English PhD program. UGA Honors will be fine - in fact, UGA without the Honors Program will work too.</p>
<p>I’d focus on falling in love with UGA, but I’d also look up some U.S. News schools (especially LACs) from around #30 or #40 or so until the end (or as far as you want to go before you stop). My stats were lower than yours 6 years ago when I entered college and I got a full ride scholarship to a school that was then #68 but is now #59 on the U.S. News list. Basically, you need to look for schools where you are going to be in the top 10% of applicants and where they will be waving money at you to get you to come.</p>
<p>Look at Lafayette College, Lewis & Clark College, Goucher, Berry College, maybe Muhlenberg, Iowa State (they were offering scholarships like crazy when I was in high school), perhaps Tulane (don’t know what their merit is like), Marquette, American, Auburn, Denison, Beloit College, Wilammette, Wofford (although it’s in the south), Hobart & William Smith Colleges, Wooster, Kalamazoo, Knox, Hendrix, Juniata, Allgheny.</p>
<p>I will say that UGA is probably better-known than most of those colleges, and honestly I think you have a good value with UGA being your in-state university. I only didn’t go there because of the full ride; otherwise, that’s where I would’ve been!</p>
<p>I’m not a fan of affluent URMs getting any kind of admissions advantage. If anyone should get an admissions advantage is the low income student of any color…especially ones from disadvantaged areas/schools. </p>
<p>But, the affluent URMs that live in my neighborhood have had rather comfy lifestyles being driven to private schools in BMWs, Lexuses, and Mercedes Benzs…hardly disadvantaged… especially when compared to a low-income non-URM.</p>
<p>My name sounds very Asian. And I’d definitely say that it’s still applicable. If I did a little more digging I’m sure I could find a more recent study but I’m not going to waste my time on that. The fact is that Asians make up 5% of the U.S. population yet a much higher percentage apply to the top universities. We are at a clear disadvantage… many universities are wary of another asian with a perfect 2400 and science olympiad for their extracurriculars. If I had to choose I’d obviously want universities to be blind to races. However, I say this yet I still look at diversity when I look at the universities I want to attend. I’m wary to attend colleges with a 99% caucasian population. So it’s a tricky situation I admit. Fact is it is not fun being asian when applying to colleges!</p>
<p>Haha I do realize they are quite different. English professor would be my dream job but I know that it’s quite a tricky job market, and that obtaining your phd is a longggg process. I’m not particularly a fan of the high stress nature of being a lawyer, but with the luxury of my parents paying for it I think I could take a lower-stress, lower-pay government job or something like that. That’s also why I’m conflicted; should i spend a lot on undergraduate since grad school for a PhD doesn’t really cost much, or should i attend a cheaper undergraduate school since law school is expensive? I really don’t know what I’m going to do! Thank you so much for the list of colleges however! exactly what im looking for.</p>
<p>Do you think UGA honors for undergrad then Harvard, Yale, Columbia, etc. to get my phd in english is achievable? I just need to publish a whole bunch and do well in school right?
Also anyone know what the exam is/if there is an exam to get into grad school to get your phD?</p>
<p>at mom2collegekids - sooo true. my hispanic friend is the son of doctors and attends a private school with like 15k tuition.</p>
<p>It’s achievable, although not highly likely. But the reason it isn’t highly likely is NOT because of an UG degree from UGA, but because grad school in those places is very competitive. If you listen to one thing from me, it should be this: it’s not what school you go to, it’s what you do in that school.</p>
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<p>You do know there’s a difference between an MFA in CW and a PhD in English, right?</p>
<p>However, I say this yet I still look at diversity when I look at the universities I want to attend. I’m wary to attend colleges with a 99% caucasian population. So it’s a tricky situation I admit. Fact is it is not fun being asian when applying to colleges!</p>
<p>Gee…what colleges are 99% Caucasian? I can’t think of any mainstream universities that are 99% white.</p>
<p>Do you think UGA honors for undergrad then Harvard, Yale, Columbia, etc. to get my phd in english is achievable? I just need to publish a whole bunch and do well in school right?
Also anyone know what the exam is/if there is an exam to get into grad school to get your phD?</p>
<p>If you do very well as an undergrad at UGA, you can get accepted into top schools for grad school.</p>
<p>When we sat for Honors Day at Bama, we were amazed at how many grads had been accepted to elite schools (including ivies) for grad school. </p>
<p>Often students have to take the GRE for grad school.</p>
<p>There are lots of very good schools that send students onto great grad schools. You don’t need to go to one of the top undergraduate schools to get into a great grad school. Getting into graduate school is a function of your undergraduate grades and your GRE scores. You may actually get better grades at a slightly lower level school.</p>
<p>Your job prospects after graduate school in terms of teaching at the university level will depend on how well you do in graduate school, the research you do in graduate school, how sought after your thesis subject matter is and how well you impress people in hiring positions. You should know that many PhDs teach as adjuncts part time, not on a tenure track, and do not make much money. (There is actually a union for adjunctive teachers) Many PhDs go on to other types of careers once they realize that they are not likely to be a tenured university professor. I work in a major corporation with many PhDs from many different fields.</p>
<p>You do know there’s a difference between an MFA in CW and a PhD in English, right?"</p>
<p>Not really, could you further explain? What do those even stand for?</p>
<p>“Gee…what colleges are 99% Caucasian? I can’t think of any mainstream universities that are 99% white.”</p>
<p>I don’t mean literally 99% Caucasian haha. Just the less diverse universtiies where a liberal, buddhist asian would have trouble fitting in!</p>
<p>"If you do very well as an undergrad at UGA, you can get accepted into top schools for grad school.</p>
<p>When we sat for Honors Day at Bama, we were amazed at how many grads had been accepted to elite schools (including ivies) for grad school.</p>
<p>Often students have to take the GRE for grad school."</p>
<p>thanks for the info!</p>
<p>And thanks katytibbs for the info too. However, if I got my PhD from like Harvard, I mean, I could probably do tenure track somewhere right? One thing I like about UGA is that I feel as if I can a 4.0 without an exorbitant amount of effort, which means I’ll be left with more time to study for the LSAT/GREs and publishing things. Plus I’ll be able to study abroad - lots of inspiration :)</p>
<p>People usually go for a MFA in CW to be a writer and/or to teach CW. Schools vary in whether or not they require the GREs for an MFA. Some require it because admission is through the graduate school, although getting a high score is much less important than your writing portfolio in getting accepted. Others may or may not require it, but use it for giving fellowships (monetary support). Others don’t require it at all. And I don’t think any require the Subject test in English Lit.</p>
<p>A PhD is generally necessary for doing research and teaching English courses at a college. The GREs are always required as far as I know and likely the English Subject test as well.</p>
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<p>I don’t know many people in English, but if it’s anything like the sciences, there are fewer and fewer tenure track positions and more post-docs and other soft money types of positions. Before going down that road, you owe yourself to talk to as many people as you can who are ‘in the business’ and find out what the professional situation is really like.</p>
<p>Northstar mom - Well, with the HOPE scholarship i will get full tuition to UGA. So all that would be left is room/food/books. Not sure if there’s many desirable private colleges out there that would give me full tuition. I’ll obviously look but yes, it’s difficult to get cheaper than UGA</p>
<p>Yes, with HOPE you would have tuition paid for.</p>
<p>But with your ACT 32 and your GPA, there are other schools that would also give you free tuition, so if your goal is to get out of Georgia, that’s possible for the same price.</p>
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“Gee…what colleges are 99% Caucasian? I can’t think of any mainstream universities that are 99% white.”</p>
<p>I don’t mean literally 99% Caucasian haha. Just the less diverse universtiies where a liberal, buddhist asian would have trouble fitting in!*</p>
<p>Virtually any mainstream - secular- university would work for you. Students at most colleges do not care if a person is religious, not religious, atheist, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, or whatever.</p>
One thing I like about UGA is that I feel as if I can a 4.0 without an exorbitant amount of effort, which means I’ll be left with more time to study for the LSAT/GREs and publishing things. Plus I’ll be able to study abroad - lots of inspiration :)</p>