Where Should My "High SAT" Son Apply?

<p>Are you looking for merit or need-based aid? </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1026754-under-3-6-applying-top-schools-2010-11-a.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1026754-under-3-6-applying-top-schools-2010-11-a.html&lt;/a&gt; is a useful thread, though your son’s GPA tops out of this a bit. Some good suggestions in the thread and links therein to strategies for your son to present his application in the best light.</p>

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<p>Makes me think of Pomona, except that the students there do study hard, and get a great education. Pomona adcoms do seem to like high GPAs, though.</p>

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<p>Because this comment was loosely related to Reed, I’ll respond to it. At Reed, all freshmen are required to take a year-long humanities course to familiarize themselves with the foundations of Western civilization.</p>

<p>[Reed</a> College | Humanities 110](<a href=“http://academic.reed.edu/humanities/hum110/]Reed”>Humanities 110 - Reed College)</p>

<p>As you can see, the first semester focuses on the ancient Mediterranean, and the second semester on the Hellenistic period and the rise of Rome. I doubt the school would go to such lengths to promote something it despises on an institutional level.</p>

<p>Which is not to say your concern is invalid, of course. After all, I would never call Italy’s culture ‘better’ than Chad’s, whatever that means, and I don’t think any of the Reedies I know would either; if cultural pluralism and anti-imperialism offend you, you are right to be wary of Reed. And a lot of the students are self-confessed socialists, which seems to confirm your fears.</p>

<p>Anyway. I second the UChicago and Amherst suggestions, and would add Carleton, Middlebury and Swarthmore.</p>

<p>Cornell’s “School of Industrial Labor Relations” may be of interest to your son:</p>

<p>[ILR</a> School Undergraduate Admissions: Home](<a href=“http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/admissions/]ILR”>Undergraduate Admissions)</p>

<p>Sorry if I missed it, but are finances an issue? Does he need signifiacnt financial aid or scholarships?</p>

<p>Dad:</p>

<p>Brandeis does give some merit financial aid. I’m not sure how much, but a number of my D’s friends received some.</p>

<p>We did some looking into the whole merit aid situation – If you want me to share what I know, PM me.</p>

<p>Basically, though – if you want significant merit aid, you have to be prepared to go to a school that’s one or two levels below the best school you can get into. The further you’re prepared to drop, the more money you can get. This makes sense, when you think about it.</p>

<p>BTW, I agree with you completely on the value of SAT Prep courses. We did not, however, go with the College Application Tutors – which is the latest fad up here.</p>

<p>I would definitely appreciate your sharing with me anything you have learned about merit aid.</p>

<p>Given that my ex wife and I are lawyers, we don’t expect any non merit based financial aid.</p>

<p>Yet neither of us make “big” money, and $50,000 a year is daunting, to say the least.</p>

<p>So far, I have come up with University of Miami and Tulane as schools that give significant merit aid.</p>

<p>By the way, I graduated Cornell in 1977.</p>

<p>I was a transfer student though, so wasn’t there that long. 4 semesters.</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

<p>“Granola” describes what I was trying to say even better than “green”</p>

<p>Claremont would be good.</p>

<p>I understand it is good for economics, and I am trying to steer my son a bit in that direction, because it is more practical that studying English, but he really is almost a super genius in anything relating to English and the English language. So if that’s his calling, I don’t want to interfere.</p>

<p>Of the Claremont Colleges only CMC gives merit aid. However they all meet need based aid. </p>

<p>These schools are pretty granola if you ask me. (and many of their students, protests are not uncommon)</p>

<p>Thanks for the suggestions regarding Carleton, Middlebury, and Swarthmore. </p>

<p>I guess that upon self reflection, I really DON’T want to send him to a school that stresses anti-imperialism and cultural pluralism. You might view me as a neanderthal for saying that, and I realize many probably view such ideas as sophisticated and enlightened thinking, but in my view, it is severely muddled PC thinking, because if someone can’t recognize that the art and architecture of Italy is indeed “better” than the under-development of Chad, I think that is simply closing your eyes to inconvenient facts. That is not intended to denigrate you, but merely to suggest that you might at least consider the fact that you may have become too PC. It would seem to me that the end result of imperialism has been tremendous economic development in the Third World, once they adopted many western ways (China, India). I am old enough to remember when China and India weren’t even a part of the world economy. </p>

<p>As someone who is 55 years old and went to 4 top colleges, it actually makes me sad that America has fallen to the point where such views are prevalent. I am actually astounded at how PC the universities have seemingly become, where all views are tolerated, except, apparently, the views of conservatives/republicans, who after all, in any given year, make up between 43% and 52% of the electorate. I am not some Pat Robertson yee-haw conservative from Mississippi. I went to Cornell, and am jewish. My father was the head of the democratic party in my home town. I am from the New York City area, and when it comes to the point where even I would not send my kid to a Reed type school, I think it shows that some colleges, true or not, have given some parents the impression that they are left wing indoctrination factories, churning out political correctness and passing it off as enlightened and sophisticated thought. On the other side of the spectrum, I wouldn’t want my kid going to a Wheaton College either. But perhaps I am being alarmist, as you did point out to me that Reed spends a lot of time on Western Civilization as well. </p>

<p>Anyway, good “debating” with you, and I will research Carleton, Middlebury, and Swarthmore, as I feel my kid, who is very intellectual but is not a partier, would do better in a small liberal arts college as opposed to a football college like University of Florida or Florida State. Your insight is appreciated. It is really great that College Confidential exists, and that someone can throw out a question and get immediate responses from all around the country. In my day, you would simply have your mother consult with the other mothers to get college tips.</p>

<p>Thanks for the suggestion on Cornell’s school of ILR.</p>

<p>You may find this funny, but that is where I, his father, went to school.</p>

<p>I should have mentioned that issue in my post.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, money is an object, because he is likely to get much in the way of non merit aid, as both his parents are lawyers, yet $50,000 a year is still a daunting prospect, because neither parent makes “big” money.</p>

<p>If you can suggest some schools that give some sort of merit aid, that would be great.</p>

<p>you are in good company on CC with students that are bright, and could get into upper tier schools, but find the cost daunting on middle class salary!! Check out the financial aid section. And make friends with mom2collegekids (M2CK)- she seems to have a great pulse on fin aid and merit out there. It is so much different than when we applied years ago, kind of disheartening. When I graduated from HS, peers that were like our kids were getting all types of merit aid and offers. Of course colleges were cheaper too. So I pushed my son in school, spending great resources to provide him with opportunities and supplemented the public school curriculum in an attempt to help him be (almost) all he could be academically in K-12. I am not sorry we did that, but it has not paid off in the way I expected it to at college application time.</p>

<p>lol you really seem to be stressing the point that you’re “55 and went to 4 top colleges.” </p>

<p>anyways, Northwestern seems to be slight reach, but overall, a good fit for your son.</p>

<p>was going to suggest washington and lee, as they offer merit aid, johnson scholarship which your s might be a candidate for, and are seeking Jewish students, have a new Hillel house, but you indicated you weren’t interested, I don’t think your perception that they all drive around in bmw’s is accurate…</p>

<p>floridadad, some links for you:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/848226-important-links-automatic-guaranteed-merit-scholarships.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/848226-important-links-automatic-guaranteed-merit-scholarships.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/148852-what-ive-learned-about-full-ride-scholarships.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/148852-what-ive-learned-about-full-ride-scholarships.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/881237-ivy-caliber-safeties-matches-condensed-advice.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/881237-ivy-caliber-safeties-matches-condensed-advice.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>What is your budget? Have you and your ex communicated this clearly to each other and to your son? You will avoid much pain and suffering if everyone is on the same page.</p>

<p>In your first post, you mention UC. There is little to no aid for OOS students at UC, so if $50k a year is a budget buster then UC is off the table. The Ivy League schools offer no merit aid whatsoever. Ditto for other schools on the list–you’ll need to take a look at the website for each school and see if they offer scholarships or merit money. Some other schools mentioned–Duke, WUStL, UofC–offer some merit aid, but it’s highly contested. No reason not to try for it, but you shouldn’t be counting on it. </p>

<p>From scuttlebutt I gathered here on CC during the last admissions cycle, it seemed like there was more merit aid being awarded at Tulane than at U Miami, but yes, look at both for your son. </p>

<p>Being male is an advantage for LACs, since their admissions pools skew more towards females. </p>

<p>One other suggestion: if you want to get the best advice possible from the generous and knowledgeable posters here, keep the political commentary out of your posts. And try to avoid stereotyping colleges, e.g. saying that everyone drives a BMW at W&L. For any school you mention here on CC, someone will sing its praises for what it’s doing for their kid. Entirely fair to say that your kid wants an intellectual non-party school without a strong activist component, where everyone doesn’t drive a BMW.</p>

<p>So you guys think Northwestern will forgive a subpar GPA especially if mainly contributed to freshman year) if coupled with high test scores?</p>

<p>thanks for this tip on W & L.</p>

<p>I will explore further.</p>

<p>At first glance, when I checked out W & L about a year ago, it seemed perfect for him, a non-left wing liberal arts colleges.</p>

<p>But from the various guidebooks I read, it seemed to be very southern, very wealthy, and very frattish (and my kid is not too social).</p>

<p>But this is a good tip. I will check it out. He is only 1/2 jewish, and never had a Bar Mitzvah, or anything like that, but to the extent being jewish would be a plus, I guess he might as well try and take advantage of that fact.</p>

<p>Also, I worked with a guy who went to W & L, and he fit the stereotype I described to you, and I couldn’t stand the guy, so maybe I am a bit biased on the issue.</p>

<p>You should know that college admissions is a total crapshoot.</p>

<p>For example, my brother’s kid got into Cornell, but got waitlisted at Syracuse.</p>

<p>And many kids with super top credentials get rejected at University of Florida, but get into schools like University of Virginia, and MIT.</p>

<p>thanks for the tip</p>

<p>I am a “rookie” poster.</p>

<p>If he’s looking for large private universities like UChicago, then I’d recommend Duke, UPenn, Cornell, etc. He is definitely qualified for each of these schools with his scores, I’m sure his weighted GPA is definitely up to par.</p>