<p>im 27, been there almost 2 years. yale guy is 28, hes been there for about 6 months, cornell gal is 29, shes been there for about 5 yrs. we all make a similar salary.</p>
<p>just to clarify, are we talking about the differences between HYPS and a second-tier state school, or are we talking about the differences between HYPS and say Vanderbilt or UNC. How big a difference is there between the top top Ivies and other private schools, in terms of graduate education and work opportunities?</p>
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hmm at my job, at a pretty prestigious institution, there are two other people with the same title and responsibilities as me. one has a degree from yale, one has a degree from cornell, i have a degree from a relatively no name school....so did i overachieve or are they underachieving, or why else would we all be equals...
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So you're saying 67% of the people with your job title have Ivy degrees? Wow, they're hugely overrepresented in that position relative to their proportion in the general population.</p>
<p>I have two different circumstances with two different kids. My daughter was number 9 in her class of 350 and decided to major in PT. When BU offered a 6 year Doctorate in PT with a certificate in Athletic Training this was the perfect school for her. She was granted a 30,000 scholarship with 16,000 up to 23,000 left for us to pay (each year it goes up). Honestly every other school was more and BU has a great reputation for the Sargent College (OT, PT, ST) Someone said to me before she entered "BU is hard to get into and even harder to stay in!! SO TRUE. My daughter had a 4.38 GPA in high school and has a 3.5 at BU. They have something called "grade degradation" where they allot 3 A's for the class so if 3 people get a 99, 98 and 98 and you have a 97 you get an A-!! Does that seem fair??? My son is now ready to enter college. He is just as bright in his own right however holds a 4.14 GPA and is the goalie in soccer, the lead in the musical and the captain of his volleyball team. He got accepted to Lehigh (33,000) Lafayette (35,000) and TCNJ (9,000!!!). TCNJ is a good school. He can go to graduate school for the fifth year. I feel I am not giving him the same opportunity as her but it was such different scenerio. We don't have a lot of money but we want the best for the kids. Sometimes I feel if you paid 40,000 for BU you were ripped off. I want the best for the kids but I have seen too much. Kids with 120,000 worth of debt to pay off in 12 years!!!
Thanks for listening.</p>
<p>Forgive me if this has already been posted but it's an important read...for parents and students who will be burdened with debt they agree to in the next few weeks...</p>
<p>I have limited sympathy for the writer who did not think this through but more importantly, read the comments from the dozens/hundreds of people who are drowning in student loan debt and CAN NOT make a dent in it. This is the next financial meltdown on it's way.</p>
<p>When I see kids whooping it up over great financial aid packages I fear that they as 17-year-olds all pumped up with pride over their accomplishments, will not look beyond the student loan offers and consider the world they will be graduating into in 4 short years.</p>
<p>I believe everybody deserves a chance at a college education if they are willing to work hard to get it. I also see possible disaster for those who do not make informed decisions about what they can REALLY afford and what jobs will be most plentiful in the next decade. Students loans are not free and $40k, 60k, 100k...these are significant sums of money without counting the interest!</p>
<p>Parents need to make mature choices too!! You will be retiring soon enough!</p>
<p>Anderson</a> Cooper 360: Blog Archive - Student Loan Nightmare: Help Wanted - Blogs from CNN.com</p>
<p>Interesting article in Forbes. From an author with Dartmouth and Harvard on her resume. Wonder if she'd have been published in Forbes without them...</p>
<p>Well It is very well to preach, I would be ready to believe it if he was rejected from an ivy league college and went on to attend a second tier college and became this successful.</p>
<p>"Here's how it doesn't matter: prestige. This is the one thing you should NOT base your decisions on. A lot of times, it is all gloss and no substance. Name-recongition probably won't get you too far. I think that the "prestige school" crowd tells themselves that it will, because they somehow need to justify their insane obsession and their huge tuition bills."</p>
<p>-PianoMom65</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>Good link, deedles. A student can easily get caught up in the exhuberance of graduating hs and going to college, feeling that the world is his oyster. Well, that only happens to a small percentage who get huge need-based or merit scholarships or those whose parents can afford the expense. For the majority of middle-class students who must take out large loans, the world is more like a bear trap waiting to bite them in the butt.</p>
<p>red_glory it's funny how you speak as if you're from a place of great experience, when you are only a high school senior. How are you to know how much prestige matters in getting a job when you're done with college? If you believe the schools you applied to were safeties, then logically you'll do very well at them and have a great GPA. People assume that the only thing employers look at is the college attended, when in reality your GPA while at college is one of the most important pieces of your resume.</p>
<p>^But if you are incredibly brilliant you cannot use Harvard. ie. getting a 4.0 at Harvard is like no other... You obviously would get a 4.0 at a safety, but an employer cannot assume the same would hold true for Harvard until you actually go there.</p>
<p>I recall a reading an article/study within the past 10 years that compared the incomes of those who went to HYP etc., and those who were accepted at HYP etc, but went elsewhere instead. </p>
<p>After 10 years of work experience the incomes were indistinguishable. Their conclusion was that it mattered more what abilities the student brought with them to the college, then what the college offered the student. </p>
<p>Im sorry I dont recall who did it, the sample size, how random a selection it was, whether they were satisfied or happy, or any other details.</p>
<p>ToTall, your sample group completely ignores the large number of students that self-select out of private education altogether for cost reasons, as well as the rejected applicants that "only" pulled a 3.7 GPA and a 95th percentile SAT. Furthermore, those who are accepted at HYP and choose to attend another school are most likely going to a different prestigious school. In short, I see your numbers, so what?</p>
<p>Edit for background info: I neither work for nor attended an elite school. However, I know that the employers doing on campus interviews at UPenn are far different from the ones that came down the road to Penn State. The difference is probably even more pronounced between Princeton and Middle Tennessee State. This is not to say that a degree from MTS is worthless, but if you honestly believe that it carries the same career potential I believe that you are delusional.</p>
<p>Hopefully no one is going to argue that being among terrific students and a terrific faculty brings opportunity.</p>
<p>Do I think there is a positive correlation between someone that is successful in high school to someone that is successful in life? Yes. </p>
<p>Does it make sense that some job recruiters will go to some selective schools while ignoring others ? Yes. </p>
<p>So yes. Getting into a great school *and * performing well there will make a difference. </p>
<p>But, in the corporate world, that's as far as it goes. After your first job, no one is going to give a dang about where you went to school. It's what you've done lately that matters. </p>
<p>Academia, that's another thing. I think (sadly) it can matter for life because people buy into the myth i.e., he/she is worth listening to because they went to X.</p>
<p>ctyankee, you are 100% correct. after 2-3 years in the corporate world, no one cares what school you went to, it's all about what you've done and how well you play with others. I've had very successful colleagues with degrees from U of nowhere to MIT.</p>
<p>If you're a business major, it certainly matters where you go to school, for two reasons: networking and branding. (Even though I would agree there is little difference in the quality of education from different schools.)</p>
<p>I truly believe you can get a "bad" education at an Ivy League school. It's all in the effort you put into your education.</p>
<p>How much money would you guys put into prestige? ie. Getting accepted to Harvard or a school such as WM or UVA with a great merit scholarship? From there, going to a prestigious grad school. I think the difference period will be in the interim between your BA and your MBA in which you work. </p>
<p>In terms of medicine, I could go to a state school for free and then go to a school such as Harvard, Wustl, JHS, or Duke and do well. It is the terminal degree that counts, what you did from 18-22 is only going to matter in your interim period. </p>
<p>That being said, being conferred as an alum for many different schools can be helpful. So how much are you willing to pay for this?</p>
<p>@Violiner: Yeah I can get a ****ty education at a state school to, it is is all for the people who actually work. I know that if I get into Harvard I will work my ass off to get Cum Laude or its equivalent.</p>
<p>I recently received my acceptance letter to New York University which is 50,000 per year. Another option I have, however, is attending USC (University of South Carolina) Honors Program with a scholarship (about 8,000 per year). </p>
<p>Taking into account that I would like to pursue the field of medicine (and the costs), which would be a better option for college? Thanks :)</p>