<p>Let's dial back the flames... and get back to the original topic. This is an important topic---and I'd rather not delete the thread.</p>
<p>Please, let's tone down this thread. Please, everyone, keep your posts informational.</p>
<p>I'll throw out one other distinction. Although quite a few schools "meet 100% of need", virtually all will meet a major portion of that need with loans. While this may theoretically enable any student to attend, it could leave students with a crushing loan burden after graduation. The point is that although a college may promise to meet your entire need, it may still be economically impractical to attend there.</p>
<p>If finances are critical, then the student should apply to some schools that are known to have good MERIT aid (as opposed to purely need-based aid); ideally the student should be in or near the top decile of applicants to earn a major merit grant; the more "overqualified", the better.</p>
<p>Sheeprun and I posted at the same time! Please heed these comments!</p>
<p>**"NOT TRUE!! </p>
<p>Just emphasizing here so that people are aware.. Many people get confused.... </p>
<p>All the Ivies meet full need. A lot of LACs meet full need as well. So do Stanford and MIT</p>
<p>However, only three of the Ivies (HYP) are need blind.</p>
<p>There's a difference between FULL NEED MET and NEED BLIND. So beware!!"**</p>
<p>I am an international. I was accepted to Cornell University. They did not give me a single penny. NOT ONE! So I would have to disagree that all Ivies meet full need, cuz my need was $38,000 and they gave me 0.</p>
<p>Did you apply for aid when you submitted your app? Or did you apply later? You are supposed to apply for aid when you submit your application. If you did not apply, or you applied after you got into the university, you won't get any aid. At all. Cos Cornell is not need-blind, but meets full need.</p>
<p>Or unless you are a transfer student, which they have slight different policies I know notHIng about. Or a grad student, in which I won't know anything about. </p>
<p>So, everyone else, you have to apply for aid when you apply for admission (to non-need blind schools), or else you won't get aid at all when you apply later on in your years there, or after you are admitted. </p>
<p>Transfers' fin aid policies operate under different rules as well.</p>
<p>You are supposed to apply for aid when you submit your application. If you did not apply, or you applied after you got into the university, you won't get any aid. At all. Cos Cornell is not need-blind, but meets full need.</p>
<p>Not apply for aid? What is this, a joke? Of course I applied for aid, filled out every single form, had my parents send documentation to prove that they are unemployed...Cornell did not give me any aid! They are need-blind when it comes to admission but they DO NOT commit to meet your full need once you are accepted! Unfortunately I would say...</p>
<p>...and this was for Fall 2004 :-)</p>
<p>Sorry, are you a transfer student? There was a post there saying you are a transfer student. </p>
<p>Cornell have different financial aid policies for transfer students. I don't know much about them, cos I'm not one :)</p>
<p>For freshmen, </p>
<p>Cornell meets full need. Absolutely. However, they are not need blind. And hence its pretty hard to get in. Just wanna clarify that.</p>
<p>In fact, all Ivies meet full need. Some are need blind. A substantial number of LACs meet full need. Two are need blind. </p>
<p>p/s this applies only to freshmen applicants!</p>
<p>Need blind -only means that the school will not take your finances into consideration when making admisssions decisions. However, many schools are not need blind when it comes to international students. Some even ask you tp prove that you have the resources to pay for college before accepting you. Many schools are need aware- depending on the amount of money that is left in the Financial aid budget if you have 2 students who have are very similar the boost may go to the person who needs the lesser amount of money.</p>
<p>Most schools will meet 100% of your demonstrated need. However there may be a disconnect between what you think your need are and what a school believes yoru need is.</p>
<p>Need is calculated as follows:</p>
<p>Cost of Attendance (tuition, room board books etc)</p>
<p>minus</p>
<p>Expected Family Contribution (monies which is expected to be paid by you and your parents based on your income /assets)</p>
<p>= Financial need.</p>
<p>The financial need is met a number of ways</p>
<p>Loans
College Work study
Summer Earnings
scholarships/ grants (which do not have to be repaid)</p>
<p>My Daughter is a freshman at an Ivy and we have all of the above as part of our financial aid package.</p>
<p>Williams also offers scholarships, grants, and awards to qualified students (U.S. Citizens and Permanent U.S. Residents only). </p>
<p>I visited another time the web site of Williams, and this is citation from there, So, do understand what you are reading, or oonly able to learn words by heart without comprehension</p>
<p>First of all, you are looking at the WRONG WEBSITE and the WRONG COLLEGE!!! </p>
<p>You are looking at "Roger Williams University" and not the Williams that we all have been talking about.</p>
<p>Urgh. Don't YOU feel embarassed.</p>
<p>I don't know whether you are covering up your previous mistake or you are just plain ignorant. This is laughable. Go and do some research before you attempt another post.</p>
<p>'So do understand what you are reading' haha. this is so ironic. </p>
<p>you were looking at the wrong college. Williams is a very famous LAC (another point I have been trying to make) </p>
<p>Greenstorm. Let me tell you something that the other posters have been trying to make as well. You come off as arrogant, defensive and very childish. And you don't bother to take the time to read posts. </p>
<p>Look at your other posts! Time and time again, you say something, only to be effectively countered by others. And the word 'counter' is very significant here, because you seem to think of this as a debate: everytime someone says something, you immediately jump to a conclusion. Defensive, arrogant and rude.</p>
<p>I don't know if that's how you are in real life, but I suspect it to be so. That kind of attitude will get you nowhere. YOU are the one seeking advice, and YOU have to take the trouble to understand other people's point. Not me. To look at it another way, YOU have to impress interviewers, not the other way around.</p>
<p>ok let me clear out the Cornell issue:</p>
<p>Cornell is need blind, but can offer aid only to a few. So loads of intl students get in but only a few get fin aid. And for those who get financial aid, they do meet full need.</p>
<p>I don't get how Cornell can be need-blind but not offer aid to the students they accept. Isn't the whole point of the need-blind policy that the students accepted do get aid?</p>
<p>no, need blind means they will accept you without bothering about your financial status. So they accept you (implies need blind), but they offer aid only to a few of those accepted, who eventually have their full need met</p>
<p>But again, isn't the whole point of the need-blind policy that the students accepted do get aid? I'm confused. I think we're focusing to much on the "need-blind", I think a better way is to look at the list Carolyn posted on another thread, with a list of colleges that give finaid to internationals.</p>
<p>nope.. cornell says that it is only need blind towards us citizens and PRs.</p>
<p>"no, need blind means they will accept you without bothering about your financial status. So they accept you (implies need blind), but they offer aid only to a few of those accepted, who eventually have their full need met"</p>
<p>hello, </p>
<p>as far as i know, this is not true. ivies do not accept people without bothering about their financial status, because then the person will probably not go to their college (if i can't afford it, i can't go there anyway) and consequently affect their yield and their rankings.
several of my friends recieved letters from cornell after they applied, asking them not to apply for aid, because it will affect their chances of admission, including one guy and a girl who got into yale, and two who got into cambridge. they were rejected from cornell, probably because they needed aid.
what you are saying only applies to transfers.</p>
<p>nope i'm 100% sure about Cornell's policy towards internationals, for eg from my school 2 ppl applied to Cornell, they also applied for aid. Both of them got accepted but they did not get any financial assistance. I know its strange..... but its true :)</p>
<p>Cornell University maintains only a very limited program of financial assistance for international students who are not citizens or permanent residents of the United States, Canada, or Mexico. Those who do receive funds have exceptional credentials and demonstrate financial need. This information is not intended to discourage you from applying, but to give you a realistic understanding of the situation. </p>
<p>~ Cornell webpage</p>
<p>upandover -</p>
<p>words, words, words. "Defensive, arrogant and rude". Prove it. I'm very interested in what messages did I show these traits.
"childish". Great word. You read so much?! Maybe I'm 5 years old, how can you find out it? or maybe I'm only 10. What's then?</p>
<p>I'm absolutely uninterested in these "liberal art colleges", so don't make from it so many noise. </p>
<p>In general, is it you who can judge me in any way.
Maybe, I'm uninterested in applying, in the USA, only passing man. What do you know about me? Maybe, I have no interviewers in my area. Then your words below are absolutely irrelevant:</p>
<p>"YOU have to impress interviewers, not the other way around."</p>
<p>Then, you said: "You're racist". Of course, maybe I am asian, or african. Do you know it? maybe, I'm from Malaysia and my words before are nothing. What's then?</p>
<p>Another your word "immature". Where have you found out such a difficult SAT word?! Immature. How beautiful! But is it relevant? No. Constant remarks about me. And have you right to call me by these dirty words anyway?</p>
<p>Moderators -
How can I leave this discussion?</p>