<p>Originally posted by sansai:
"The general prestige of Berkeley anywhere in Asia is about the same as Harvard's, and that means it's even in a small bit more popular and more prestigious than Stanford and MIT"</p>
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Misinformed? Wow, dude, are you saying that the top executives and HRDs of Toyota, Sony, Vodafone, Bank of Tokyo, Nippon Tel, Nippon Steel, Honda, Nissan, Toshiba, Tokyo Electric, NEC, Canoon, San Miguel Corp among others are misinformed??? The HRD heads of these companies are western educated.</p>
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<p>sansai, calm down. Berkeley's prestige in East Asia mainly stems from Berkeley's graduate programs and its research which are indeed top-notch, but if they view an undergraduate education at Berkeley as equal to an undergraduate education at Harvard (implied due to your agreement to the statement "If you want jobs in Asia go to Berkeley, they view it as Harvard's equal") then these companies are a bit misinformed. Berkeley's undergraduate education is indeed great, and while I think sometimes the difference between the education it offers and that which schools like HYPSM offers is exaggerated by certain posters, I think the general consensus is that HYPSM offer a better undergraduate education overall than Berkeley does. I don't think Berkeley is quite there yet at the undergraduate level at least.</p>
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A few years back, we had a discussion about the "sizeable" Republican club at Berkeley.
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<p>You're right, your detail was unnecessary. Again, I love the great hypocrisy with regard to ad hominems, and the red herring (trying to distract from the topics at hand).</p>
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Further, do I really need to spell out why I view UC-Berkeley student body different from other schools, except other UC schools? Does 40.7% Asian plus the additional percentage hiding in the 8% undefined compared to 2.9% Black student ring a clearer bell?
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<p>It rings a far more legible bell than your previous completely ambiguous one (that you refused to clarify for many posts). So your complaint is actually that, with regard to race or ethnicity, the student body of Berkeley does not represent the country (or the state) close enough for your liking. At least now youre intelligible. Do you think many understood your complain to be specific only to race and ethnicity as it now seems?</p>
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I'm happy for you that you think "that at the very least a great deal of the student body is like a lot of the country." I see it very differently.
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<p>Well then, you must be looking through a very narrow scope, and it seems to be that which is race/ethnicity and only race/ethnicity.</p>
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Freshmen admitted to the fall semester 2006 receive a 2 year housing guarantee!
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<p>This was also true of those admitted for last year. Transfers are still guaranteed one year.</p>
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The absence of guaranteed housing?
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<p>If you knew that even one year of housing was guaranteed, do you think it was either misleading, hyperbolic, or both to say the above?</p>
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Will we ever reach a different conclusion that the school represents a good opportunity for a vast number of Californians and a much less desirable alternative for students who cast a wider net, and compare schools by scratching a bit deeper than the skimpiest of polishing varnish.
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<p>Youve said Berkeley is good in the past, with such statements as Berkeley is a great school, but is is far from being among the best in EVERY department. Now youre saying its quality is merely superficial, merely on the surface. Could you clarify?
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<p>Still nothing?</p>
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Should I go on?
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<p>Why did you stop?</p>
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If the top executives of these companies prefer berkeley's undergraduates to harvard's, as you asserted i don't even think i need to argue as to why they're misinformed.
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<p>elsijfdl, the quotation does not support your claim that sansai claimed that top executives of these companies prefer berkeley's undergraduates to harvard's, </p>
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You are the prime example for the explanations in the other thread as to why there is so much anti-berkeley sentiment on these boards, because people like you come here and say that berkeley beats harvard in things like prestige
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<p>You think her attitudes are the reason why so many seem to hate Berkeley here and elsewhere?</p>
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*posted by: elsijfdl *</p>
<p>"The general prestige of Berkeley anywhere in Asia is about the same as Harvard's, and that means it's even in a small bit more popular and more prestigious than Stanford and MIT"
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<p>Read carefully and understand well what I said. </p>
<p>What I said in that forum was "ABOUT THE SAME AS HARVARD'S". That's not the same as "PREFER UCB's undergraduates to harvard's". They're not the same. Even a five year-old kid would be able to spell the difference. </p>
<p>Here's what I said: </p>
<p>Harvard is the most prestigious university on earth. In Asia, UC Berkeley, MIT, Yale are close behind. From where I come from, there's little care as to this school is good in grad school only but not in undergrad... because from where I come from, majority of those who study in the US matriculte for grad studies. </p>
<p>In my PERSONAL opinion, and for the opinion of the poeple whom I have asked this too, UC Berkeley has a better physics program. I checked out the campus a couple of months ago and I did really, really like what I saw. So I turned down Harvard, Princeton and Stanford's offer BUT do not tell me I was wrong. that's my point. gets?</p>
<p>sansai, to whom are you talking? If you are responding to my post, I never said you thought Berkeley is BETTER than Harvard's. I just said that you think it's about equal while the general consensus is that Harvard is better, at an undergraduate level. But you are certainly right in that Berkeley have some departments that are stronger than Harvard's, most noticibly engineering. Physics is a likely candidate, but I don't know enough about the physics departments to make a judgment.</p>
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<p>sansai, calm down. Berkeley's prestige in East Asia mainly stems from Berkeley's graduate programs and its research which are indeed top-notch, but if they view an undergraduate education at Berkeley as equal to an undergraduate education at Harvard (implied due to your agreement to the statement "If you want jobs in Asia go to Berkeley, they view it as Harvard's equal") then these companies are a bit misinformed. Berkeley's undergraduate education is indeed great, and while I think sometimes the difference between the education it offers and that which schools like HYPSM offers is exaggerated by certain posters, I think the general consensus is that HYPSM offer a better undergraduate education overall than Berkeley does. I don't think Berkeley is quite there yet at the undergraduate level at least.
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<p>Hi there. thanks for reminding me to calm down. I am actually calm down. Actually, I'm with a group of friends reading the comments and we are really having fun. We just thought some of the posts here are ridiculous and their comments are based on ignorance of the actual situation. </p>
<p>OK, the general consensus here is that for undergrad, Harvard, MIT, Princeton and the like are better than Berkeley. Well, if they based on stats and they talk about GENERAL, then maybe they're right. BUT, Berkeley is the second best for me (next only to Harvard except for sciences and engineering). Again, that's for me so I did not like the idea of someone telling me I'm wrong etc etc... because I know what's good for me. </p>
<p>In the US, maybe Stanford's undergrad is better, in general. But sorry, Standford does not appeal to me as much as berkeley does. And sorry that I still see Berkeley is the better school even for undergrad even more so in the sciences like Physics. so I don't care if Stanford has a slight advantage over Berkeley -- in general -- undergrad education. I know you get my point loud and clear, but sadly, these Berkeley bashers did not. so i don't care about them anymore.</p>
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<p>sansai, to whom are you talking?
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<p>that was actually addressed to elsijfdl :)</p>
<p>Okay good. I thought that might have been addressed to elsijfdl.</p>
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Actually, I'm with a group of friends reading the comments and we are really having fun. We just thought some of the posts here are ridiculous and their comments are based on ignorance of the actual situation.
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<p>Haha, that sounds like fun. Invite me sometime. Actually, CardinalFocused wanted to have a CC post party. The idea is a bunch of CC posters with laptops get together and post. :rolleyes:</p>
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I have had the chance to choose schools to go to and I picked the best, for me. Have you had the same privilege??
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<p>Maybe or maybe not! But, at least, I know in which country I was born! Do you?</p>
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As a complete onlooker (not a US born) of the US university/education system, I am only basing what's being fed to me.
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Though I was born in California 18 years ago, I was brought to Japan when I was 1 year old until I turned 3.
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<p>I also know the matriculation of the past year at my high school, including the one I was supposed to graduate from. </p>
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High school: International School Manila
Harvard: 12 applied, 7 received offers (including me) and 3 enrolled (excluding me)
UC Berkeley: 24 applied, 3 received offers and 3 enrolled (including me)
MIT: 4 applied, 0 received offers
Stanford: 1 applied (me, 1 received an offer and no one enrolled)
Michigan: 17 applied, 13 received offers, 5 enrolled
UCLA: 27 applied, 9 received offers and 3 enrolled.
Princeton: 2 applied, 2 accepted (including me) and 1 enrolled.
Yale, 7 applied, 3 received offers and 2 enrolled.
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<p>How does your recollection match the source?</p>
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Class of 2006 College Matriculation by GPA Quintile
Quintile 1</p>
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Ateneo de Manila Univ (3)
Boston College
Boston University
Brown University (3)
Claremont McKenna College
Columbia University
Duke University
Georgetown University
London School of Economics
Massachusetts Inst of Tech
Smith College
Sophia University
The Royal Veterinary College
Univ of British Columbia (2)
Univ of California, LA
Universiteit Utrecht
University College London
University of Bath
University of Chicago
University of Virginia
Yale University (2)
Yonsei University</p>
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4.00-3.66
Ateneo de Manila University
Babson College
Boston University (2)
Carleton University
Claremont McKenna College
Cornell University
Emory University
Macquarie University
Ontario College of Art&Design
Penn State University
Smith College
Tsukuba University
Univ of British Columbia
Univ of Southern California
Univ of Wisconsin, Madison
University of Essex
University of Ottawa
University of Virginia
US Air Force Academy
Washington University (2)
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<p>As you said, dear Sansai, the 18 year Lady from Japan ... "YOU are inventing stories. In the Far East, we call that -- lying. Yuck!" The problem with repeating the same fibs over and over is that it is so darn hard to keep the stories straight. </p>
<p>Congratulations on your decision to pick Berkeley over Harvard ... your dream school.</p>
<p>lol wow awesome pwnage. sansai u are such a liar dude and one of the most biased posters. ur posts don't even make sense and as a business major, Haas has horrible ugrad placement. Cal ugrad is so overrated.</p>
<p>sansai,</p>
<p>I love how you claim to be a voice for "The Far East," yet nobody in East Asia would even refer to it as such anymore. It's like saying "Oriental."</p>
<p>ugh.</p>
<p>yea sansai is a biased asian kid who probably got rejected from top privates.</p>
<p>Sternman,</p>
<p>Stop saying things you can't back up, too. Stick to things that are easy, not wild accusations.</p>
<p>California has a SERIOUS budget crunch due to serious financial MISmanagement. I see Berkeley's tuition going up (at rates higher than inflation) in the future.</p>
<p>I'd go with Rice mainly because people at Rice simply care more about undergrads.</p>
<p>WHO CARES ABOUT JOBS IN EAST ASIA. NO ONE WANTS TO WORK THERE. Did your parents work there? No. Are you planning to leave the country after college to a foreign country, gain citizenship, live under communism or some other wacky, bass-ackwards government where no one speaks english?? Or simply go to an Asian country who's economy (no matter what country is) is CERTAINLY worse than that of the United States? HELL NO. By the way, most of the people who even REMOTELY entertain the idea of going to east asia are already asian; no non-asian wants to be a minority in a foreign country any more than you do. So, asians are only 3.6% of the population (refute this if you want to), so for the other 96.4% of us, WE DONT CARE. Not to mention, the name of the college on your degree will have a minimal effect, and after a few years, will be completely meaningless. And by the way, the only coherent country in Asia, with a stable economy, big corporations, some english-speakers, cars instead of bicycles, etc, is Japan. And the Japanese are somewhat Western-enough to know the difference between Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, etc. But regardless, in the UNITED STATES, the country most of us are citizens of, have families in, and will get jobs in, intelligent people know which schools are more respectable than others. So stop babbling about the F***ing East Asian market.</p>
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California has a SERIOUS budget crunch due to serious financial MISmanagement.
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<p>And we're STILL going to re-elect Ahnuld. At least we have the Democratic legislature here to convince the goof to raise taxes...</p>
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I see Berkeley's tuition going up (at rates higher than inflation) in the future.
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<p>Doubtful. If there is a price increase, it will be in housing. And if tuition here did go up, it would be of little controversy, since tuition here for the education is a helluva bargain.</p>