<p>I will tell you why I deleted your post MW2. You ■■■■■■■. You stated that Michigan was a tier 3 university. Tier three means ranked between 101 and 150 in the nation. Such a blatant lie will get deleted.</p>
<p>NU’s co-op program in Chicago (!) is also very appealing to me</p>
<p>“I am not naive enough to call Duke the peer of HYPSM just as the vast majority of academia does not consider UMich a peer of Northwestern (for undergrad), it is fairly close behind, granted, but “peer” - no.”</p>
<p>Duke is not a peer of HYPSM, but it is a peer of Michigan and NU according to academia. According to the most recent rating of undergraduate institutions, Duke and Michigan each received a rating of 4.4/5.0 according to academia and Northwestern received a rating of 4.3/5.0. HYPSM all received ratings of 4.9/5.0.</p>
<p>“A bit- not that much though. It boils down to how enterprising a student is. However a less enterprising student might have better opportunities coming from NW. Get it- all things being equal (which really never happens anyways) NW would trump UMich.”</p>
<p>sefago, do you have evidence to back up your claim?</p>
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<p>I doubt he meant that. He probably meant-</p>
<p>Tier 1: HYPSM
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Tier 2: Duke
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Tier 3: Michigan</p>
<p>Maybe an over-reaction. Which kind of makes sense, but then people should be able to separate personal biases from their duties . . .</p>
<p>sefago, do you think NU is more like in the same tier as Duke? Or Michigan?</p>
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<p>Lol, I did no such thing. I posted the stats and a short analysis and then stated (yes I do remember, blessed that I am with near-photographic memory) “UMich is a tier or two below Northwestern.” Clearly I meant that in the context of the top 30 or so schools where there are indeed tiers not just between HYPSM and “everything else” but between top 5, 5-10, etc…</p>
<p>liv. Please don’t feed the ■■■■■■.</p>
<p>How am I feeding the ■■■■■■?!</p>
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<p>Yes that’s exactly what I meant yet I didn’t mention Duke at all. It’s funny how the “arrogance” that people on this forum typecast Dukies with is based so much more on perception and ignorance than it is on actual fact and empirical data.</p>
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<p>Apparently if one agrees with the US News Rankings (based off of a highly scientific and data-driven process) than one is a “■■■■■” on these forums.</p>
<p>Alex, Yale’s PA score is not 4.9…technically.</p>
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<p>I personally think Northwestern is a bit better than Duke academically but would be on the same tier. I choose not to comment on Michigan because I dont really wanna argue.</p>
<p>Honestly? If you are asking about prestige opinions would vary a lot. When i was in college no one would consider Michigan special and I am not making this up, just an observation. And I did talk to lots of people to be fair. But then it was in the NE and most probably have never been to Michigan lol. </p>
<p>I would be fair and honest. From what I have seen skimming through some of the “evidence” (most I really dont trust) on this thread- there seem to be no difference between Michigan and Northwestern in prestige. However Alexandre and rjkofnovi do exhibit ignorance about several other schools themselves and so I basically reciprocate the ignorance. They also do have a bit of inferiority complex so its pretty easy to tease them.</p>
<p>Now my own personal opinion- I personally would go for Northwestern. I would prefer the atmosphere. I dont like the atmosphere of big schools at all, so its a personal preference. Infact I hate the atmosphere of big schools so I am heavily biased. </p>
<p>Pick what is affordable and what you love. College is more than just about prestige. And if you are smart- Northwestern, Michigan or anywhere would not hinder you from living an enriched life.</p>
<p>I think money’s gonna be the deciding factor in my decision, should I be accepted to both schools.</p>
<p>I have an excellent idea. How about we ask this question on Yahoo! Answers? Apparently peer assessment and personal view points don’t seem to settle this score. I find it best to ask a sample of the population, that being Yahoo! Answers. Try it and tell us the results. </p>
<p>Because in reality, no one (not your friends or employers) is going to pull out a sheet of PA scores and list of Rhode scholar winners and compare universities. It’s all based on whatever you generally consider is prestigious from the top of your head. People in Yahoo! Answers won’t analyze strange data to reply to the question. They will reply the best they know on the instant. It simulates real life interaction. Try it?</p>
<p>Try “Is UMich better or Northwestern better prestige-wise?”</p>
<p>Wow what do you know? There is a similar question, but only 2 people responded…not a good sample size:
[Is</a> Northwestern University a prestigious school? - Yahoo! Answers](<a href=“http://■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■/question/index;_ylt=AsZ752u4eUYYres6ay4lTtkjzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20100308151844AAN8ceb]Is”>http://■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■/question/index;_ylt=AsZ752u4eUYYres6ay4lTtkjzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20100308151844AAN8ceb)</p>
<p>One guy did say:
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<p>To him, UMich is good, but Northwestern is better!</p>
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Let me educate you then…</p>
<p>RHODES SCHOLARS
Duke: 43
Northwestern: 15
Michigan: 25</p>
<p>MARSHALL SCHOLARS
Duke: 23 (led the country this year with 3 along with Yale)
Northwestern: 18
Michigan: 16</p>
<p>GOLDWATER SCHOLARS
Duke: 58 (3rd most in the country after Princeton and Harvard)
Northwestern: 40
Michigan: 41</p>
<p>CHURCHILL SCHOLARS
Duke: 24 (3rd most in the country after Princeton and Harvard)
Northwestern: 9
Michigan: 12</p>
<p>COUNSELOR RATINGS (USNWR)
Duke: 4.7/5.0
Northwestern: 4.6/5.0
Michigan: 4.4/5.0</p>
<p>WSJ FEEDER RANKING
Duke: #6
Northwestern: #21
Michigan: #30</p>
<p>ENDOWMENT
Duke: $6 billion (~$950,000 per capita)
Northwestern: $6.3 billion (~$750,000 per capita
Michigan: $6.56 billion (~$250,000 per capita)</p>
<p>Duke is slightly better than Northwestern but both are definitely a tier or two above Michigan.</p>
<p>Duke has a large medical school too so its endowment fund earnings for undergrad becomes smaller. Michigan receives hundreds of millions from the State of Michigan to help run the school aside form the earnings they received from tuition fees, private research projects, patents, etc. Duke does not get anything from the government for their undergrad operation expenses.</p>
<p>Hey Les, you forgot the data for Fulbright. lol</p>
<p>"“I am not naive enough to call Duke the peer of HYPSM just as the vast majority of academia does not consider UMich a peer of Northwestern (for undergrad), it is fairly close behind, granted, but “peer” - no.”</p>
<p>The so called “vast majority of academia” consider Michigan a top 15 school, based on it’s PEER ASSESSMENT scores. Too many here on CC like to confuse their partiality with reality. I do agree that Duke is NOT a peer of HYPSM, so you are partially correct.</p>