<p>I know both are very hard schools to get into.
But, between Dartmouth and Cornell, which is harder to get into in the undergraduate premed program.
And which would be better for medical school acceptance and standardized tests.
I want to apply Ed to one of them and I want to apply ED to the one I would be more likely to get into.</p>
<p>then do cornell</p>
<p>probably Cornell, thanks to the very large entering class size.</p>
<p>so I have a better chance applying ed to Dartmouth</p>
<p>umm... we just said cornell</p>
<p>Gomestar is correct. If you want to maximize your chances, go with the large acceptance size (Cornell). It's not a lock (never is with any Ivy) but you're chances are better.</p>
<p>Cornell is easier to get into.</p>
<p>oh sorry I thought you were saying cornell is a better school
my mistake.</p>
<p>Cornell is much easier. Larger class size. They accept more and the applicant pool is less selective than Dartmouth's. No doubt that Dartmouth is much better.</p>
<p>If I had to rank the Ivy's it would go:</p>
<p>Yale / Harvard / Princeton / UPenn (b/c of Wharton) / Dartmouth - Columbia / Brown / Cornell</p>
<p>I just personally believe that the undergrad values that Dartmoutb brings are far stronger (higher selectivity, higher endowment per student, better recruiting, better grad placement, higher rankings, better study abroad, more giving alumni, far fewer classes with TAs). Cornell is more like a Michigan or a Berkeley with some strong specific programs (i.e. hotel, architecture) but for someone going to grad school the greater resources available to undergrads at Dartmouth give it a strong edge in my opinion.</p>
<p>higher selectivity - edge to dartmouth with 15% admitted vs. Cornell's 20%. </p>
<p>higher endowment per student - what's the endowment worth if a school doesn't spend it on students. Cornell just spent $280,000,000 in new buildings and better resources for students. </p>
<p>better recruiting - this is your opinion, you have never proved this to be true. </p>
<p>better grad placement - again, you've made this assumption yet no evidence of this has ever surfaced. You've tried to make this (along with the better recruiting assumption) before but others have picked apart your arguments piece by piece. It's just flat out not true. </p>
<p>higher rankings - edge to dartmouth, 9th vs. 12th I think. </p>
<p>better study abroad - how do you have any idea? Do you just like Dartmouth's and assume it's better than Cornell's?</p>
<p>more giving alumni - from the words of the Cornell sun, the university is focusing less on sheer numbers of donors and more on the donors that are willing to give $30-50,000,000. So far, it's worked out well as the university is averaging $2.5 million a day in alumni donations. </p>
<p>far fewer classes with TAs - i don't have any data on this, I only know that TA's aren't allowed to teach at Cornell.</p>
<p>Honestly higher grade inflation alone helps give Dartmouth students an edge for pre-med.</p>
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<p>Did you mean $2.5 million a year? 2.5 million a day would mean Cornell's endowment is increasing at $1 billion a year. </p>
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Are you implying that Dartmouth doesn't spend as much on its students as Cornell?
Dartmouth just spent $124 million dollars on new buildings. Just this year, the McLaughlin Dorm cluster (6 buildings), Tuck Mall cluster (2 buildings), Kemeny Hall Math building, and Halderman Center were finished. Just this year, Dartmouth also finished renovating the gym and the field and track (both multi-million dollar renovations). </p>
<p>Current projects include a $20 million varsity house, a $17 million dining hall, a $27 million center for the Tuck business school, $8 million dollar renovation of the Dartmouth Hitchcock Center, and $1.7 million in creating a new landscaped park. </p>
<p>If this isn't spending, then I don't know what is.</p>
<p>True, $280,000,000 is greater than $124,000,000, but Dartmouth's total student population (undergrad and A/S grad, business, medical, engineering) is only a fraction of Cornell's. Our total student body is less than the number of students enrolled in Cornell's Arts and Science undergrad college.</p>
<p>I see the resident Cornell marketing director is frequenting this group now.</p>
<p>"Did you mean $2.5 million a year? 2.5 million a day would mean Cornell's endowment is increasing at $1 billion a year."</p>
<p>no, i meant $2.5M a day. The actual number may be slightly less as Cornell is bringing in a just below $1B a year in alumni donations. </p>
<p>"Current projects include a $20 million varsity house, a $17 million dining hall, a $27 million center for the Tuck business school, $8 million dollar renovation of the Dartmouth Hitchcock Center, and $1.7 million in creating a new landscaped park"</p>
<p>well, at least 1 thing goes for undergrads, a dining hall. Unless the hitchcock center is also for undergrads, then that's two things. Nice.</p>
<p>Wow, $1 billion a year. That means in 4 years Cornell will almost double the $4.3 billion that it took almost 142 years to accumulate. Way to go.</p>
<p>At least the 20,000 or so students will be at peace knowing there's that much money to build more and more buildings. Pretty soon every student has his own building. Nice.</p>
<p>Ummm...everything except the Tuck center goes to undergrads...hitchcock, the park, the varsity house, the dining hall. Not to mention new dorms and a complete redo of the south part of campus the last couple of years.</p>
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<p>I don't get why you would ignore the varsity house and landscape project I mentioned as projects for the undergrad school.</p>
<p>As for the renovation of the Dartmouth Hitchcock Center i mentioned earlier, that was a typo. They're renovating the Hitchcock undergrad residence hall.</p>
<p>The projects I mentioned were only the ones that I knew off the top of my head. Looking on Dartmouth's office of planning design and constructing, there are also projects still in design, like a $92 million dollar life sciences facility, and a new soccer facility. </p>
<p>Both of these are for undergrads, and both will be completed before I graduate (I'm a freshmen).</p>
<p>You guys forgot the Maclean engineering science center , that cost around ~$ 30 mil.</p>