Which public meds welcome OOS students w/o state agreements?

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<p>1) Which public meds welcome OOS students who are coming from states that don't have a "special agreement" with that med school?</p>

<p>and...of those schools....</p>

<p>2) Try to make their med school more affordable to these OOS students with grants/scholarships or maybe waiving OOS tuition? </p>

<p>3) Which privates give a noted priority to their instate students? I've heard that UMiami and Baylor do. Are there others?</p>

<p>My son has kind of a "pre-list" of privates that he'll be applying to, but besides his 2 instate public meds (don't have any private meds instate), we have no idea of which OOS publics might be welcoming. </p>

<p>FYI...we're in Alabama, so first choice is UA-Birmingham (for quality, closeness, and cost), second choice is Vandy ( for quality, closeness to home, and known for grants).....University of South Alabama is the other state med, but not ranked...really don't know how good/bad it is. However, known to give scholarships to entice high stats instate students.</p>

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<p>Kristin and I had a bit of a discussion about it – hopefully she remembers better than I do. UVa, I recall being quite friendly.</p>

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<p>I’d be interested in knowing too, we’re from OR, and while OHSU is a fine Med school, it also has the most expensive IS cost.</p>

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<p>1) Usually the “expensive” public ones. I learned from this forum Michigan, Uva, Colorado may be one of these. Maybe some in IL and Ohio? Some in Arizona maybe? (not very sure about these two though.)
2) UT-SW may do this, but OOS consists of 10 percents of its class. It is rumored that they like high stats OOS kids.
3) Don’t know about this. But this could be looked up from USN.</p>

<p>DS heard from someone U. of Alabama is very good, esp. its MD-PhD program. I do not know his source though.</p>

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<p>*1) Usually the “expensive” public ones. I learned from this forum Michigan, Uva, Colorado may be one of these. Maybe some in IL and Ohio? Some in Arizona maybe? (not very sure about these two though.)
*</p>

<p>Do you mean expensive for instate or expensive for OOS?</p>

<p>*DS heard from someone U. of Alabama is very good, esp. its MD-PhD program. I do not know his source though. *</p>

<p>yes, UAlabama med is ranked well in both Primary Care (23) and Research (26). It’s also ranked for AIDS research.</p>

<p>However, it’s the “other one” - Univ of South Alabama - that we wonder about. It’s not ranked and we know very little about it.</p>

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<p>^ Definitely expensive for OOS. May tend to be expensive for their IS as well (my guess only.)</p>

<p>Rumor has it that the the rank of Primary Care does not mean much. From someone DS happens to know (who is in the medical research circle), he learned that if you want to pursue primary care, you can go to any medical school and you can be at the bottom of your class in your medical school. Most medical schools which are highly ranked in research (U. of Wash is an exception) tend to be at the bottom as far as primary care ranking is concerned. It is often accused by many that almost all of these top research schools (esp. private ones) are very irresponsible for producing primary care doctors – they produce specialists who make more money instead (and leave many primary care doctor slots to even those from foreign medical schools.)</p>

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<p>AZ just began accepting OOS students for the 2010-2011 school year, DD withdrew before the OOS tuition was set, so you would have to check that out.</p>

<p>Most of the schools in the middle of the country are not so open, but I think schools in NY-PA-VA-DC are where DD got the most interviews back east, some of those, of course, are private.</p>

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<p>Most medical schools which are highly ranked in research (U. of Wash is an exception) tend to be at the bottom as far as primary care ranking is concerned.</p>

<p>I can see what you mean…but many that are well-ranked for research also manage to be well-ranked for primary care… I wouldn’t say at the “bottom” unless defining “bottom” as below 30…but that would be a bit extreme. </p>

<p>UC-SF is highly ranked in both
UCLA is about equally ranked
UPitt (14) is ranked 12 for PC
UMich (6) is ranked 14 for PC</p>

<p>It seems to me that the strongish state schools make more of an effort to be decently ranked in both areas.</p>

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<p>PC rankings swing wildly year to year. I think my school jumped from 55 to 4 back down to 37 or something like that.</p>

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<p>MO resident here. When I was deciding which state schools to apply to, the only ones the numbers suggested might be favorable toward out of staters were:</p>

<p>UT Southwestern (be forewarned, requires TMSDSAS or whatever the acronym is)
Ohio State
University of Virginia</p>

<p>Here are the USN numbers that go with those schools (I chose to pay most attention to percentage of interviewees that are eventually accepted, for what it’s worth):</p>

<p>UTSW: 572 applied, 85 interviewed, 76 were accepted, 35 enrolled
Ohio State: 3142 applied, 410 interviewed, 262 were accepted, 91 enrolled
UVA: 2157 applied, 392 interviewed, 252 were accepted, 62 enrolled</p>

<p>Compare that with other states that aren’t so friendly (just picked some random ones in addition to mine):</p>

<p>MO: 822 applied, 55 interviewed, 19 were accepted, 11 enrolled
KY: 1687 applied, 152 interviewed, 77 were accepted, 37 enrolled
OK: 1214 applied, 42 interviewed, 37 were accepted, 12 enrolled
MN: 3457 applied, 216 interviewed, 143 were accepted, 54 enrolled</p>

<p>And, well, you might start to see why many people stick with their state + privates!</p>

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<p>^^^^</p>

<p>Yes, I can see that for many/most state schools.<br>
I can totally understand a state school’s philosophy. The state is subsidizing the school and they hope that the grads will eventually practice in that state.</p>

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<p>YSM, un-ranked in primary care since Lucy first walked up-right. ;)</p>

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<p>*MO resident here. When I was deciding which state schools to apply to, the only ones the numbers suggested might be favorable toward out of staters were:</p>

<p>UT Southwestern (be forewarned, requires TMSDSAS or whatever the acronym is)
Ohio State
University of Virginia</p>

<p>Here are the USN numbers that go with those schools (I chose to pay most attention to percentage of interviewees that are eventually accepted, for what it’s worth):</p>

<p>UTSW: 572 applied, 85 interviewed, 76 were accepted, 35 enrolled
Ohio State: 3142 applied, 410 interviewed, 262 were accepted, 91 enrolled
UVA: 2157 applied, 392 interviewed, 252 were accepted, 62 enrolled</p>

<p>Compare that with other states that aren’t so friendly (just picked some random ones in addition to mine):</p>

<p>MO: 822 applied, 55 interviewed, 19 were accepted, 11 enrolled
KY: 1687 applied, 152 interviewed, 77 were accepted, 37 enrolled
OK: 1214 applied, 42 interviewed, 37 were accepted, 12 enrolled
MN: 3457 applied, 216 interviewed, 143 were accepted, 54 enrolled</p>

<p>*</p>

<p>Kristin…are the above numbers representing just OOS numbers?</p>

<p>And, I agree with your philosophy of looking at number of interviewees that are eventually accepted. (would these numbers also include those who come off waitlists?</p>

<p>BTW…do you think publics would draw from their instate waitlist first?</p>

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<p>Yep, those are just the out of state stats. Here are the in-state stats:</p>

<p>UTSW: 2762 applied, 689 interviewed, 333 were accepted, 193 enrolled
OSU: 1043 applied, 279 interviewed, 199 were accepted, 129 enrolled
UVA: 545 applied, 153 interviewed, 125 were accepted, 81 enrolled
MO: 459 applied, 237 interviewed, 125 were accepted, 84 enrolled (yeah! I’m in these stats for next year!!!)
KY: 412 applied, 226 interviewed, 114 were accepted, 78 enrolled
OK: 353 applied, 243 interviewed, 174 were accepted, 150 enrolled
MN: 1154 applied, 366 interviewed, 259 were accepted, 175 enrolled</p>

<p>Yes, accepted includes anyone ever accepted. </p>

<p>You can figure out how many they accepted off the waitlist by subtracting total matriculants (so for MO: 84 in state + 11 out of state = 95) from the total acceptances (for MO: 125 in state + 19 out of state = 144) to get the number accepted from the waitlist (for MO: 144 - 95 = 49–which jives with what admissions director told us (that about half come from the waitlist)).</p>

<p>No idea how they determine movement from waitlist. I know at my school, they’ve recently shifted from just giving the acceptance (from waitlist) to the next kid in line to giving it to the applicant most likely to “replace” the accepted kid who turned them down. So let’s say I’m a 32 year old guy from small town MO and I turned down my acceptance. My school would give the next acceptance to say, a 34 year old chick from a small town rather than me, a 22 year old from a city.</p>

<p>Replace ages and backgrounds with any other factors (undergrad school, volunteering, leadership, shadowing, desire to go into primary care, etc etc etc) and that’s allegedly how my school works the waitlist.</p>

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<p>:) Thanks!</p>

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<p>The current first year class at UVa is 55% OOS. Very friendly to OOS students.</p>

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<p>^^^</p>

<p>Really! :slight_smile: Is there data available somewhere? Do you know why this is? </p>

<p>Do they have an agreement with Wash DC residents? (for instance, are many of the OOS students from Wash DC? )</p>

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<p>I doubt that hardly any of UVa’s students are technically Washington D.C. residents, as so few people relatively speaking live in the city itself.</p>

<p>The data is available through the MSAR, available on Amazon.</p>

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<p>I am pretty sure that even if some are friendly to OOS all (public and private) give IS an advantage. For example I just looked up Yale and it is like 1% for OOS and 7% for IS.</p>

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<p>^^^</p>

<p>Can you clarify? I don’t understand what you wrote about Yale.</p>