<p>Bizkid, I didn't say otherwise. Indeed, Penn is a reach to most people. But to even consider it realisticially, an applicant should be at a certain level. I assume that since you are seeking to transfer into Penn, you are well over a 3.5 student at a respected university. If that's the case, IU and OSU should be pretty safe. Besides, MSU and PSU are just as selective as IU and OSU.</p>