Who said the Pac-10 is a weak conference?

<p>oh oregon state. 3-34</p>

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sakky swoops in to put Berkeley in its place I knew that great one would show up, there was too much optimism in the thread. My sakky alert bracelet was going wild...

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<p>Uh, it has nothing to do with 'putting Berkeley in its place'. I too, like most people here, am gratified to see Berkeley beat Tennessee. That's a whole lot better than what happened last year. But still, it was a game that Cal was supposed to win. Cal had a higher ranking than Tennesse did. Cal was playing at home. You're supposed to win games like that. </p>

<p>If I am putting anything in its place, it's the Pac-10 Conference. While it's obviously one of the top conferences in the country, we have to admit that there are some teams in it that are pretty weak, i.e. that team in Palo Alto. Granted, other conferences have stragglers too, but the point is, I don't think we can definitively say that the Pac-10 is really a better conference than the SEC. I wish it was true, but the jury is still out. Let's wait for the rest of the non-conference games to be played, and ideally, for the seasons to finish and the bowl games to be played before we make such a judgment.</p>

<p>"Pac-10 coaches don't disparage other schools? Run that by me again?"
^Sure, no problem. Pac-10 coaches do not talk smack about other schools nearly as much as some other conferences, particularly the SEC. It's no little kept secret that SEC coaches and fans think the Pac-10 is weak (even though they've produced more national championships and Heisman winners in the last few years than any other conference). Overall, I think the Pac-10 is a pretty classy conference, given their success. They haven't started on-field brawls, called a BCS-worthy team "high school players," or told an opposing team before a game that they looked weak. So, Harbaugh screwed up. That's one coach from a low-level team. That's not Les Miles of LSU, nor TN players talking. Not to excuse it, it's just the truth.</p>

<p>'putting Berkeley in its place'<good, I'm not the only one who thought of that.</p>

<p>DeSean Jackson had a 73 yard run for a TD in today's game vs. Colorado State. I haven't seen footage of it yet, but it looks like he may very well be making a great case for his candidacy.</p>

<p>it was on a reverse
i'm streaming the game now....you can get it free</p>

<p>hes definitely racking up some very nice plays for the highlight reel, but i think he needs more of those receiving TDs.</p>

<p>on a side note, oregon is absolutely dominating.</p>

<p>I know, they look pretty good. Cal has had trouble defending the spread in the past, so hopefully that won't get them against Oregon this year. Anyone have a clip of Best's run? That's insane, I honestly think he'll be the next Reggie Bush. Pulling off a 64 yarder as a freshman is incredible.</p>

<p>I saw Best's run..looked like he was gonna get tackled in like 3 different places</p>

<p>wow we almost lost though. they kicked an onsides kick and recovered it and scored so 34-28...we were only up by 6. then longshore kept taking knees.</p>

<p>I know, they almost let it slip at the end. That's their one weakness, IMO. They don't take "easy" teams seriously enough. Hopefully things will pick up next week though. How do you think we'll do against UCLA?</p>

<p>you can watch the best run at calbears.com. click on the cstv highlights and you'll see jackson's 73 yard TD and best's run as well.</p>

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Pac-10 coaches don't disparage other schools? Run that by me again?"
^Sure, no problem. Pac-10 coaches do not talk smack about other schools nearly as much as some other conferences, particularly the SEC.

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<p>Uh, that's not what you said. You just changed your story.</p>

<p>This is what you said originally, in post #9:</p>

<p>"And their coaches don't talk **** about other teams. "*</p>

<p>Notice how you never said anything about how "Pac-10 coaches do not talk smack about other schools nearly as much as some other conferences, particularly the SEC.". What you specifically said is that Pac-10 coaches don't talk smack. Period. </p>

<p>Look, the honorable thing for you to do is to just admit that your original statement was too strong and just withdraw it. No shame in that. Lots of people, including myself, have said things that, in retrospect, turned out to be too strong. </p>

<p>But don't try to weasel out of it. Don't try to claim you didn't say something when you in fact did. You said that Pac-10 coaches don't talk smack. That is what you said. </p>

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Overall, I think the Pac-10 is a pretty classy conference, given their success. They haven't started on-field brawls, called a BCS-worthy team "high school players," or told an opposing team before a game that they looked weak.

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<p>Oh really? Is that right? Then exactly how classy do you think the following is? </p>

<p>*"...Oregon head coach Mike Bellotti told reporters BYU just wasn't a good enough football program to compete at the highest level of the Pac-10...</p>

<p>"After we went three-and-out a few times to start the game, they thought that's how the whole game would go and they were talking," BYU senior offensive lineman Jake Kuresa said.</p>

<p>"They were talking all night. When it was 31-0 and 38-8, they still didn't catch on that they were getting beat pretty bad and they kept talking down to us. If they didn't learn through the game and what happened that we need respect, I'm sure their coaches are telling them in the locker room right now." "*</p>

<p><a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20061228/ai_n17078407%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20061228/ai_n17078407&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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That's not Les Miles of LSU, nor TN players talking. Not to excuse it, it's just the truth.

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<p>Is that the truth? Then consider what happened in the Cal-USC game in 2003.</p>

<p>*"The Trojans didn't endear themselves to Cal with their behavior before the game or during it. According to many Cal players, USC provided trash talk it couldn't back up. </p>

<p><code>They always take us lightly,'' said receiver Jonathan Makonnen, who had seven catches for 104 yards.</code>They really don't respect us..."*</p>

<p><a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap?gid=200309270059&prov=ap%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/recap?gid=200309270059&prov=ap&lt;/a> </p>

<p>Or how about the 2006 game between Oregon State and Boise State?</p>

<p>*"Oregon State players didn't help themselves by trash talking before the game.</p>

<p>"Telling us how crappy our city is, how crappy the blue field is. We were just sitting there in the locker room saying, `Hey, don't play that game. Let's just come out there and show them what we do, show them with our game," Johnson said. "*</p>

<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=2579707%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=2579707&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>So, explain to me again how exactly is it that players and coaches in the Pac-10 don't talk trash and how classy they are? Run that one by me again?</p>

<p>and of course theres the king of them all...</p>

<p>chad johnson of the bengals, an alumnus of oregon state!</p>

<p>however, he can back it up on the field. and his TD celebrations make me laugh every time</p>

<p>"Run that one by me again?"
^Sure, no problem. Pac-10 coaches do not talk smack about other schools nearly as much as some other conferences, particularly the SEC.</p>

<p>Want me to say it again?</p>

<p>Pac-10 coaches do not talk smack about other schools nearly as much as some other conferences, particularly the SEC.</p>

<p>How about one more time, in case you still don't get it:</p>

<p>Pac-10 coaches do not talk smack about other schools nearly as much as some other conferences, particularly the SEC.</p>

<p>phroz: thanks for the link.</p>

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Run that one by me again?"
^Sure, no problem. Pac-10 coaches do not talk smack about other schools nearly as much as some other conferences, particularly the SEC.</p>

<p>Want me to say it again?</p>

<p>Pac-10 coaches do not talk smack about other schools nearly as much as some other conferences, particularly the SEC.</p>

<p>How about one more time, in case you still don't get it:</p>

<p>Pac-10 coaches do not talk smack about other schools nearly as much as some other conferences, particularly the SEC.

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<p>There you go again, deliberately choosing not to answer the question at hand.</p>

<p>Here is what you said in post #9 in this thread. </p>

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their coaches don't talk ***** about other teams.

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<p>Notice how you said ** absolutely nothing ** about how they "...do not talk smack about other schools nearly as much as some other conferences, particularly the SEC." Absolutely nothing at all. All you said is that they don't talk smack. ** Period**. I think you have to admit that you have been proven 100% wrong on that point. </p>

<p>So let me put it to you this way:</p>

<p>* Do not change your story*</p>

<p>Shall I say it again?</p>

<p>Do not change your story</p>

<p>One more time, in case you still don't get it. </p>

<p>Do not change your story.</p>

<p>And besides, even with your newly changed story, you still haven't come up with something that is particularly praiseworthy. Your new position is now that while the Pac-10 may talk smack, it just doesn't do so as much as some of the conferences do. Even if that really were true (and I'm not sure that it is), that isn't exactly something worth bragging about. That's like some guy admitting that while he may murder people, he doesn't murder as many people as somebody else does.</p>

<p>All i know is Oregon = National Championship and will beat Cal, UCLA, and USC and if they keep playing the way they are.</p>

<p>"Oregon = National Championship" < umm, i think that's a little far fetched. remember that last year they were ranked high before getting demolished by cal, and then lost their last 4 games or something like that. i DO think they are an improvement over last year, but i think the nat'l championship-and rose bowl-is a little out of reach. i also agree, however, that the other three teams need to step it up a notch.</p>

<p>"I think you have to admit that you have been proven 100% wrong on that point. "
^umm, i think not. listen, get over it bro. if you hate cal and the pac-10 so much, that's your problem. let the rest of us enjoy our supremacy (both talent-wise and class-wise) while it lasts.</p>

<p>Oregon is being predicted to end up 3rd in the pac-10 as of now though</p>

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i think not. listen, get over it bro. if you hate cal and the pac-10 so much, that's your problem. let the rest of us enjoy our supremacy (both talent-wise and class-wise) while it lasts.

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<p>At least someone said it directly. I tried to make the same point earlier.</p>

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even with your newly changed story, you still haven't come up with something that is particularly praiseworthy. Your new position is now that while the Pac-10 may talk smack, it just doesn't do so as much as some of the conferences do. Even if that really were true (and I'm not sure that it is), that isn't exactly something worth bragging about. That's like some guy admitting that while he may murder people, he doesn't murder as many people as somebody else does.

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<p>So what exactly were you arguing about, if vc08's point is according to you not "particularly praiseworthy". Argument for the sake of argument on the berkeley forum I suppose, whatever it takes.</p>

<p>I'm from the state of Oregon...i can have hope :D</p>

<p>haha, ok. but, because cal hasn't been to the rose bowl in like the last million generations, us bear fans have gotta hold out a little hope too. but hey, so long as oregon isn't playing cal, go ducks!</p>

<p>ps...who are they supposed to replace in the top 3? ucla i would assume?</p>

<p>ducky: thanks for the support ;)</p>