@lookingforward What’s your point? Pizzagirl was accusing my friends of being whiners because they were not getting involved in the decision process of admitting students. I was telling her that they don’t get to vote on who gets in. They can’t just show up and say, I now have a vote too. I want to read apps. I want my vote in committee to count etc, unless the University allows them. They need permission. There is a process. It is not as simple as you either do pro bono work or you have to shut up because you are a whiner.