Religion isn’t something that should be a part of the debate. At conception, there is a living organism, distinct from mother and father. That is a biological fact. At conception, this organism has the full DNA of Homo Sapiens Sapiens, a unique genetic code distinct from both mother and father, and just as human as you or I. That is a genetic fact. That there is a living human being at conception is a scientific fact, and to think that it is neither alive or human until some other arbitrary point is misinformed. The idea that it isn’t human until you see it is an unfortunate superstition that has no place in our society. I ask, is it a rock before that? Is it a lizard? Last I checked, an organism cannot change from whatever non-human species it is into human.</p>
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I was really hoping either Obama or Reid would get frustrated and snap and make this happen.</p>
<p>I personally would HATE a single payer system, but if the rest of Americans wanted it then they’d be within their rights.</p>
<p>But Obamacare is just a free license for irresponsible/unfortunate people to rob insurance companies, made up for by giving the insurance companies a free license to rob responsible/fortunate people.</p>
<p>Oh, and a couple of religious groups like me get exempted because we are loud.</p>
<p>This, BTW, is why our country is such a wreck. Me and BillyMc both adamantly hold the same view on abortion, and adamantly hold opposite views on socialism. No wonder it’s hard to form a stable consensus around here.</p>
Sigh. That wasn’t anything against evolution. I was talking about an individual organism, not a species or a group. Can a lizard from my yard turn into a human? No.</p>
<p>My point was that you have any kind of purely political association you want, but when it deals with issues of life (some have precedence over others), these issues override your political interests. Go ahead and be a socialist, but don’t think that universal healthcare has precedence over a proponent of abortion, who decides who is appointed to the Supreme Court. Also, appointing a Catholic? Hardly. There is a very significant difference between those who live their faith and those who identify with those who live their faith. Statistics overwhelmingly classify the former with the latter, which leads to much confusion.</p>
<p>^^He (she?) is implying that Obama doesn’t like abortion as much as I do, and he wants to help me lower the amount while preserving women’s rights. </p>
<p>The power of the press to influence our knowledge: staggering. Case in point: Palin’s referral to ‘death panels’ soon became common ‘knowledge’ about Obamacare.</p>
<p>Abortions are painful and expensive. Most people (except abortion doctors) would want to see a reduction in their count.</p>
<p>The thing with abortion is - that the alternative to it may mean a lifetime of destitution for the parents and the children (also chances are that they’ll take up welfare and increase crime rates along with that). The vast majority of abortions occur among the poor who can barely afford anything - very few abortions are “abortions of convenience” by people who want to have sex with impunity (well maybe some other abortions come from those who don’t receive much sex education - often coming from “abstinence-only” communities). Now, one could call both abortion and its alternative “evil” - it’s up to the reader to decide which is the greater evil.</p>
<p>Okay, so if I’m a poor, inept person with a rich grandparent who is about to change the will so that I’m not on it, I can just kill him because I would live a life of destitution if I didn’t.</p>
<p>If someone considered your grandpa to be part of a group that they don’t consider to be humans, then they would have no problem with that.</p>
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<p>And the power of the press to blow everything out of proportion: also staggering. Case in point: Despite the lack of death panels in the bill, or important people claiming that death panels are in the bill, it has become a national controversy over whether they are in fact in the bill.</p>