Why are the avg SATs so low???

Colleges & Universities A-Z University of California - Los Angeles
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<p>Hey,</p>

<p>I didnt apply to UCLA but im just curious as to why the avg SAT scores for UCLA are not very high. I mean UCLA can be compared to USC but USC has much higher avg scores. why is this? and how can UCLA have such a low acceptance rate and be so hard to get into when the average scores are like a 1730-2100????</p>

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<p>1)UCLA’s a public school, 2)add holistics in admissions which in combination -> some from a lower profile get in.</p>

<p>At good to excellent high schools UCLA matriculants will have higher gpa/SAT’s than USC matriculants, as shown by this database of [PV Peninsula](<a href=“http://www.pvpusd.k12.ca.us/penhi/collegeacceptance/collegeacceptance2010.pdf”>http://www.pvpusd.k12.ca.us/penhi/collegeacceptance/collegeacceptance2010.pdf&lt;/a&gt;) and another here [url=&lt;a href=“http://www.pvhigh.com/CCC/pdf/CCC_Student_Profile_2010.pdf]PVHS[/url”&gt;http://www.pvhigh.com/CCC/pdf/CCC_Student_Profile_2010.pdf]PVHS[/url</a>]. </p>

<p>But UCLA takes more from under-performing high schools, ones USC wouldn’t touch, so this brings down the stats of UCLA (again, UCLA is public). </p>

<p>Add that USC superscores. </p>

<p>Wrt UCLA v Cal, UCLA has a larger geographical burden of u-p high schools in SoCal than Cal in NorCal.</p>

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<p>Both SC and UCLA use the ACT. Neither university superscores the ACT. </p>

<p>For the entering class in 2009-2010 the combined ACT scores for enrolled freshmen:</p>

<p>Georgetown ACT Combined<br>
29</p>

<p>Univ. of Virginia ACT Combined
29</p>

<p>UCLA ACT Combined
27</p>

<p>Univ. of Southern California
30</p>

<p>Source: Statistics on CC</p>

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<p>Its cause UCLA doesnt really factor SAT in as much; they mostly look at GPA. Pretty unholistic imho but it give people with 4.0’s an advantage.</p>

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<p>UCLA puts a LOT, a LOT of weight on GPA while USC puts a lot of weight on the SAT.</p>

<p>Personally, I like USC’s approach better but what can you do?</p>

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<p>UCLA takes best single sitting; USC takes best individual scores. Probably accounts for 30-50 points per applicant.</p>

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<p>according to the University of Califnoria, average ACT for UCLA students was 30</p>

<p>[University</a> of California - Freshman admission profile](<a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/campuses/ucla/freshman-profile/index.html]University”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/campuses/ucla/freshman-profile/index.html)</p>

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<p>bephy,
Stated above was the ACT score for SC of ENROLLED freshmen for the 2009-2009 entering class. You posted the ACT score for UCLA of admitted freshmen for the 2010 class. Admitted scores are higher than enrolled students.</p>

<p>Let us compare the same year and statistic. UCLA admitted ACT score for 2010 freshmen was 30. SC admitted ACT score for 2010 freshmen was 30-33. (Middle 50% composite).</p>

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<p>USC doesn’t have an admit floor. Georgia, if you’re going to say 80%+ students at USC are top-10% hs that would be wrong. It’s more like 50%. This is easily provable: look at uw grade distribution of USC’s 3.7 mean. There’s no way 80% of USC students could be top-10%.</p>

<p>This means USC can fish for SAT’s from lower ranking students. USC admits ~ 40% from private school, and private school students can better “buy” a good score because of wealth.</p>

<p>The reason UCLA discounts SAT so much is because it realizes there’s a corrrelation between wealth and high scores. Add that scores are temporary achievement compared to the longer term achievement of grades. </p>

<p>From specific good-excellent high schools UCLA matriculants stats are higher than USC’s. Two examples above. If I’m looking at the ~ 46 students from both high schools USC admitted (enrolled), I would have to say that USC has to superscore.</p>

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<p>my mistake, i didn’t originally see that you posted ‘enrolled.’</p>