Why choose Williams over Amherst?

<p>(I posted a counter-thread in the Amherst forum)</p>

<p>I know I am treading dangerous waters here, but I really want to know what it is that differentiates Williams from other small LACs, and, especially from Amherst. They are both top schools and IF I am admitted to both of them (very big if), why should I choose Williams? I am interested in majoring in biology with a Chinese minor. The research I have done so far indicates:</p>

<p>Williams- has a stronger science department (though both are good), stronger Chinese department than Amherst</p>

<p>Amherst- is in a better location (in a small town, but with both rural and urban areas easily accessible), 5-college consortium</p>

<p>Choose Williams especially for your intended major/minor :) Or else there is always Princeton...the Chinese there is awesome! So is the bio. But Princeton is not a LAC.</p>

<p>To be perfectly honest, I think the educational part of the equation is so good at both schools that it is a non-issue.</p>

<p>So, I would focus on issues of campus culture, style, location, etc. Both are historically all-male schools that went co-ed a generation ago. Both have historically catered to an affluent Anglo-Saxon New England/NY prep school clientele, but have made signficant efforts to expand that horizon. Both have fabulous placement track records into professional schools (med, law, MBA) and solid placements into academic/research graduate programs. Both have similarly high per capita endowments (financial resources).</p>

<p>For the most part, the differences are in degree. For example, Williams is somewhat more focused on athletics -- in terms of admissions, financial resource, and campus culture. Amherst is slightly more focused on diversity -- both ethnic and socio-economic. Each has notable academic strengths: Art History at Williams, History at Amherst, etc. And, you have pointed out a signficant difference in location.</p>

<p>If you are fortunate enough to get admitted to both, try to do an overnight visit and see where you feel most comfortable. It would be hard to go wrong with either school.</p>

<p>I'll echo ID on this one: if accepted to both, try to do an overnight visit at both and see which one you feel more at home at. Both are wonderful schools. I think Williams is a bit stronger in the sciences, but Amherst would provide an excellent education in the sciences too.</p>

<p>The two schools offer quite different social environments.</p>

<p>Williams has a small-town "feel". It is small and isolated, but the isolation fosters a strong sense of community. As in many little towns, the opportunites for indoor recreation (restaurants, movies, clubs) are relatively limited (some would say shockingly limited). On the other hand, the opportunities for outdoor recreation (hiking, skiing, sports) are exceptional. So Williams students tend to be friendly, athletic, and outdoorsy. </p>

<p>Amherst has an edgier and more urban "feel". While Amherst College itself is small, it forms part of the 5-College consortium, with some 25,000+ undergraduates. So Amherst students are part of a much larger, more diverse, and more active community -- but one is that is perhaps less friendly and tightly-knit. </p>

<p>It is sometimes suggested the 5-College system is socially advantageous for male Amherst students, but is less so for female Amherst students. The 5-College system includes three prestigious LACs (Amherst, Mt. Holyoke, and Smith), two of which are women's colleges. Collectively, these three schools enroll ~7 women for every man. The effects of this imbalance, in terms of dating and relationships, may be either good or bad, depending on one's gender and sexual orientation.</p>

<p>Thanks everyone. Lol @ grumpybear- this is what you do when you skip school? :-P</p>

<p>yes shellzie, and this is what you do when you're at school :)</p>

<p>I have heard better comments about Williams majors in math, science, and economics.</p>

<p>In terms of being a feeder school to top graduate programs, Williams (5) is ranked higher than Amherst (9). </p>

<p>Also, US news ranked Williams (1) higher than Amherst (2) for the past 3 years i think.</p>

<p>According to Fiske Guide to Colleges 2006 , students at Williams tend to be more "athletic, well rounded, driven, friendly, liberal" </p>

<p>Oh and if you are an international who needs lotsa finaid, you should definitely choose Williams as it's need blind to internationals. </p>

<p>Also, Williams has lots of cows. </p>

<p>And also mountains.</p>

<p>And also mountain day.</p>

<p>And also friendlier admission people perhaps. </p>

<p>And also better finaid (they actually pay for return tickets to your home country each summer if you are an internaional!!)</p>

<p>And also...i can go on and on..</p>

<p>Shellzie, You would get an excellent education at either school and while there would be significant overlap in the experience, the kids, the professors, there are also significant differences. I don’t know if I would necessarily call Amherst a “better” town. Williamstown is a very small town, a village really, surrounded by profoundly beautiful scenery. Just about everyone in the town is there because of the college, so in that sense it is insular and self-contained which contributes to a great sense of community on campus. </p>

<p>Most kids stay on campus on the weekends (aside from an occasional “escape” to Boston or New York) and there is definitely a feeling of camaraderie. If your idea of fun is trying a different restaurant every weekend, going clubbing or cruising the mall then for sure Williamstown is not for you. If you like hanging out with your friends, socializing, taking in a performance of some type, doing some kind of physical/sports activity, then you’ll be well served in Williamstown.</p>

<p>I don’t know if it matters to you but I would give Williams the edge for opportunities to perform and interact in the arts. There is a wonderful new performing arts center and vibrant scene in theater, dance and music. Plus there are three excellent museums on or near campus. </p>

<p>Other points of differentiation are Winter Study, the first year entry system, the number of dining halls (there are four or five vs one at Amherst I think) and the tutorial program. For my son, all of these have been BIG pluses. </p>

<p>I’m not sure that I agree that the five college consortium actually benefits Amherst. It does offer a wider range of course offerings, but to me, it waters down the whole point of being part of a small, close knit community. If you want a bigger pond, then look at Brown or Dartmouth.</p>

<p>I think once you visit the differences will be immediately apparent. Williams isn’t for everyone, but those who like it, love it.</p>

<p>Ohh! And also, the Williams - Oxford university program where you can spend your junior year in the fabled Oxford University in UK. Your grades at Oxford are recorded directly in your Williams transcript and if you are on finaid , it travels with you to Oxford.</p>

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Also, Williams has lots of cows.

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Including a gen-yoo-ine Texas longhorn. :)</p>

<p>driver: wats a texas Longhorn?:S</p>

<p>The two schools are very, very similar. I chose Williams, personally, primarily because I preferred the vibe I got from the students -- I bet that is the single biggest factor in kids choosing between the two, and it really does depend on the individual. I'm sure lots of Williams folks would say they thought Amherst kids were arrogant and snobby, and lots of Amherst kids would say Williams kids were overly jocky, but neither view is really accurate, as no two student bodies in the country are more similar -- the differences are really much less tangible and difficult to define with a sweeping characterization. </p>

<p>In my mind, Williams has two big tangible advantages. First, as of next year, the facilities on campus are, overall, a little better. Williams is completing a major new, spectacular student center, and already renovated a smaller student center a few years back. Since 2000, Williams has also completed spectacular new science center and theater facilities. Once the new Student Center is finished, Williams will have a group of public gathering and performance spaces that no liberal arts school can compete with. Amherst is just in the planning stages of a major fund drive and will probably catch up in due course, but that is likely 5-7 years away. </p>

<p>The second, and most important, tangible advantage is Winter Study. In January, most Amherst kids are at home for an extended six week vacation, which may sound fun if you're in high school, but not when you're paying 40,000 grand to be around amazing peers and professors. At Williams, the vast bulk of students are on campus, using the time to take often-interesting classes outside their comfort zone, working on thesis, or just bonding and socializing to a degree not possible during the more academically rigorous semesters. I think that extra month a year of campus activity makes a huge difference in the overall quality of the college experience, and many Williams students' fondest memories of campus life date to Winter Study experiences.</p>

<p>Finally, I want to chime in on the location. There is undoubtedly more to do in the Amherst five-college area, in terms of restaurants and culture, than in Williamstown. But Williamstown is far from the cultural wasteland some are depicting. Between neighboring North Adams (five minutes away) and Williamstown, you have three major art museums (two of whom, the Clark and MassMoca, host lots of interesting musical and film series), the huge new theater complex, an independant movie theater in Williamstown (which hosts the great Williamstown Movie Festival each fall) as well as a regular theater in North Adams, several good bars and a pretty high volume of quality restaurants. MassMoca in North Adams, in particular, hosts tons of really cool events, including many good concerts, throughout the year, and there are other venues for live music in the area, notably Gideon's Nightery in North Adams. There isn't the volume or variety of events you have in Amherst/Northampton, but given how busy you are as a college student, you'll find plenty of distractions to keep you occupied, and I'd say most college student don't run out of enterainment options in the area. Moreover, Williams, cognizant of its location, makes a particular effort to bring in tons of great performers and speakers each year, and the on campus options will only multiply with a new movie theater and pub in the Student Center. Williams' campus now has a ton of great and varied performance spaces for different types of shows: student center space, Goodrich, The Log, the music center, Chapin, Currier Ballroom, and three spaces in the new theater, and I imagine all of that flexibility will allow for even more interesting campus musical, artistic, and film events. Not to mention, great golf, hiking, skiing, and orienteering right on or very close to campus.</p>

<p>Ephman--what a great post!</p>

<p>noxy--this is a Texas Longhorn: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_longhorn_%28cattle%29%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_longhorn_%28cattle%29&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>When you're driving up the hill from the Store at Five Corners, look to your right, and you'll see a herd of cattle. Most of them are, you know, regular old cows. But one is a TLH. Right across the road from the elementary school, down in that valley. Check it out.</p>

<p>Haha! Thanks driver. I will definitely be on the lookout for a Texas Longhorn this fall.</p>

<p>OK, shellzie2006, your gut reaction to the last few messages may help you to determine, as accurately as anything else, whether you are more likely to fit in at Williams or at Amherst.</p>

<p>If you could see yourself participating in an earnest discussion, with highly intelligent people, about the unusual cow down by the country store, then Williams may be the right place for you.</p>

<p>If this topic has you rolling your eyes in complete disbelief, then perhaps you should consider Amherst instead.</p>

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If you could see yourself participating in an earnest discussion, with highly intelligent people, about the unusual cow down by the country store, then Williams may be the right place for you.

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You forgot the part about the really great sandwich and cup of coffee, and the picnic tables. While we discuss the unusual cow. Um, steer. Or whatever it is. With those incredible mountains all around. :)</p>

<p>Haha:D I love Williams (L). Can't wait for fall. 178 days and counting.:D</p>

<p>Ephman, post #14's a keeper.</p>