<p>East Campus at Duke is 100% Freshman.
Harvard Yard is 100% Freshman.
East Campus = Harvard Yard
Duke = Harvard</p>
<p>done and dusted.</p>
<p>Because I went to Carolina.</p>
<p>Gee…a LOT of people have the WRONG FACTS about Duke. Its NOT a Southern School for White Frat boys. </p>
<p>In fact a LOT of Asians attend Duke. A substantial number of people from the Northeast, in fact in the south its known as a Yankee school situated in the South. Carolina is more a southern school for frat boys and sorority girls, but not Duke.</p>
<p>Its a stellar academic school. Its also full of hyper competitive and sometimes rather snotty kids. </p>
<p>As for the lacrosse incident, the accused were from Long Island, by the way. Get your facts straight. (DA went to jail for withholding exculpatory evidence; accuser was every bit the sleaze the press made her out to be and is now in jail on separate unrelated charges. Duke Administration had a huge housecleaning after it all came out in the laundry, from the top down.)</p>
<p>Duke did NOT rise to national prominence because of basketball. Its also not a recent phenomenon. Duke has always been a superior academic school, from its med and law school to its undergrad school (pick a major) to it business school and grad schools. </p>
<p>Whether it fits your ideal of a great place to attend undergrad is entirely up to the individual. Some are smitten by it, some are turned off by it. With any top 10 school you are going to find a some snotty condescending people. No exceptions, sorry.</p>
<p>Most people just go there, focus on their work, have a wonderful social and overall experience and then go onto great things in life, whether wallstreet, med school, law school, grad school, B school, or becoming teachers, ministers, social workers etc.</p>
<p>Q: How many Duke students does it take to change a tire?
A: Three – two to go get beer and one to call dad back in Jersey.</p>
<p>Don’t take it personal.</p>
<p>You know something is wrong when a school of high academics is being targeted for a sports team.</p>
<p>"A substantial number of people from the Northeast, in fact in the south its known as a Yankee school situated in the South. Carolina is more a southern school for frat boys and sorority girls, but not Duke.</p>
<p>"Its a stellar academic school. Its also full of hyper competitive and sometimes rather snotty kids. "</p>
<p>Bingo and bingo again.</p>
<p>KEEP DISSING DUKE!</p>
<p>minimizing the application pool is exactly what I need</p>
<p>No one “hates” Duke the school which is a very fine institution.</p>
<p>Otoh, there have been a bunch of Duke posters who repeatedly demean other schools in a pathetic attempt to make Duke seem more “elite.”</p>
<p>Probably the same reason why GQ magazine nearly listed Duke as the “do*chiest” school, except they didn’t want to rank Duke no.1 in anything.</p>
<p>Aside from that, my biggest issue w/ Duke would be the admin taking too many shortcuts w/ the academic admissions for the revenue sports.</p>
<p>I mean really, allowing 1/3 of the FB players to only meet the minimum NCAA academic reqs. is pretty pitiful for an academic school like Duke.</p>
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<p>Don’t much, if any, “hate” around here for Stanford.</p>
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<p>Wouldn’t posters here be more jealous of Stanford?</p>
<p>And yet, not much, if any “hate” towards Stanford.</p>
<p>So it’s something else…</p>
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<p>That’s nice, but that hardly is distinctive.</p>
<p>There are other schools w/ top med schools that do cutting-edge research.</p>
<p>The point is not to prove facts. OP asked “Why do people hate Duke?” He asked about perception. I’ve visited campus briefly (not a college tour visit, just in the area) and have no other connection or rivalry allegiance. I simply stated those instant perceptions, true or not, that random people have about Duke. It’s kind of like asking non-football fans why people hate the Patriots. Do you need a reason? Should men wear Uggs? (Bonus question: Who do you root for when Brady is playing Tebow?)</p>
<p>Duke is quite a good school but suffers from a bit a hangover because:</p>
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<li><p>It’s in the South</p></li>
<li><p>Hints of a rich, entitled southern frat boy culture permeates much of the place</p></li>
<li><p>There’s an anti-intellectual air to the place</p></li>
<li><p>An upper-class status quo mentality reigns</p></li>
<li><p>Basketball team detracts from the seriousness of Duke as a top tier school</p></li>
<li><p>Most kids at the Ivies think Duke’s a lesser school (including those at Cornell)</p></li>
<li><p>With Georgetown, Duke is a bt overrated academically</p></li>
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<p>There ought to be a cheese named Duke. By merely accompanying all the whining, it should become a bestseller.</p>
<p>My soon to graduate D is as NOT Charlotte Simmons as anyone could be. And four years at full pay in, I am not yet sorry she chose it over in state at Cal. </p>
<p>Hey; it’s a free market.</p>
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<p>I don’t often agree with xiggi, but in this case I do. </p>
<p>Speaking only for myself, I’d add: It’s partly the whiny-ness of a certain number of Duke students, alums, parents, and supporters–surely not all, probably not even most, but a particularly vocal minority who do a lot to create a public face and a public voice and, consequently, a public image for the university. Whiny-ness accompanied by arrogance, I might add, a singularly unpalatable combination.</p>
<p>The comedian Rodney Dangerfield built a very successful career out of his “I don’t get no respect” schtick. In his case it was funny. In Duke’s case it isn’t funny, because it comes across as so whiny. It’s the sound of several thousand bratty, pampered, upper middle class suburban white kids who didn’t get into HYPS despite stellar credentials, whining, “I don’t get no respect; why can’t they see how good I am, why won’t they admit I’m better than they are, why can’t they see it should be ‘HYPSD’?” And they then set out to prove it on CC by badgering and belittling anyone who disagrees. Really leaves a bad taste in your mouth.</p>
<p>I suspect at the heart of it is a certain insecurity, the inner thought being, “If I’m so good, why did HYPS reject me?” and the comforting response being, “Well, at least I was admitted at Duke, and that’s better than everyone else, maybe even equal to S–even if the rest of the world doesn’t believe it, but what do they know?” To HYPS it comes across as whiny social climbing, and to everyone else as whiny pretentiousness.</p>
<p>Apart from that, I’ve got nothing against the school, and on most days I don’t hate it. Not even a little.</p>
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Few, if any, Duke people have placed Duke on par with Stanford. Even the more, shall we say, contentious posters like lesdia explicitly noted that. According to the most recent data I could find, 14% of Stanford admits were also admitted to Duke, but Duke makes up only 1% of non-matriculants, which I think is a 98% win for Stanford. My math may be wrong, though. In any case, Harvard, Yale, MIT, and Princeton are the only serious competitors with Stanford, with USC, Caltech, Berkeley, Penn, and UCLA taking only 12-15 Stanford admits a year, and most other top colleges taking 6-7 a year at best. It’s pretty clear Stanford has no real competition from most colleges, and most Duke students are aware of that, I should think.</p>
<p>What I’ve seen is a knee-jerk reaction by certain posters, so that any post containing both Duke and Stanford (except for a ranking, of course, preferably with at least a 10 spot gap between), regardless of content or the allegiance of the poster, is accused of declaring Duke the next best thing since sliced bread. One need look no further than post #13 of this thread by a Columbia alum. Commenting that Duke and Stanford have some of the best weather among the top schools? Pretentiousness! Noting that Duke and Stanford both do well in sports and the director’s cup? Pretentiousness! Duke needs to get back in the gutter where it belongs.</p>
<p>Most of your post can be boiled down to: “People from other colleges feel like Duke hates on them, so they hate on Duke.” “He thinks he’s better than me! I MUST prove him wrong!” I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again - it’s terribly childish behavior. This is particularly common with graduates of one university in particular. Posters at HYPSM are secure enough not to care one way or the other - it’s never a Harvard poster who gets up in arms about things. </p>
<p>Let’s be honest – nobody outside of CC compares these universities or cares about them. The only people who talk about where they were accepted is freshmen during orientation week who haven’t yet realized that it doesn’t impress anyone. Duke has admittedly had some bad apples on CC, and some of their posts make me cringe, but I still think that’s far from a good excuse for judging the school or drawing sweeping conclusions - the typical polite and PC denials to the contrary.</p>
<p>Duke is a great school with some of the best attributes-academics, alumni network, weather, campus beauty, social life that set it on a very high level. HYP have a 200 year headstart in building up endowment and wealthy alumni legacies, and reputation. Duke like Stanford has achieved so much in a relatively short time. Perhaps its image relects that of its top basketball program and the great Coach K-achievement, accomplishment (4 NCAA titles} graduating class individuals and showing great school pride! Dick Vitale has said mant times that a lot of fans dislike Duke because of decades of success-the Blue Devils have beaten a lot of fans alma maters. The Duke spirit is great-one that I admire(btw Stanford and Harvard has the good sense to hire former Dukies to coach their respective hoop teams). In these bad economic times a Duke degree is enhanced by a great alumni network. Go Blue Devils!</p>
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This is completely untrue I might add. Comparing any school to HYPSM has got to be the biggest faux pas on College Confidential. Students/alumni of Duke or any other school would never do such a thing since they would be shot down immediately. What does seem to happen is that certain alumna of Duke and other top private schools assert that their universities are stronger at the undergraduate level than some fine public universities like UCLA and Michigan and the alumna of the public schools in question immediately are up in arms and accuse said private school supporter of placing his/her alma mater on par with HYPSM. It’s quite the entertaining straw man routine that certain alums of state schools including a prominent Super Moderator have mastered and use frequently to make these private schools look bad.</p>
<p>In the end, people make their voice heard regarding the prestige of universities by their enrollment decisions. The non-HYP Ivies plus a few other top private schools like Duke win the vast majority of cross-admit battles with every state school in the country besides Berkeley so these private school alums have a valid reason to feel slighted when their alma mater are relegated to the abyss that follows HYPSM where there’s no meaningful distinction made between a Columbia and a Wake Forest or a Penn and a UCLA. Now that’s outrageous!!</p>
<p>Love the Duke basketball dominance over Michigan!</p>
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<p>Dubious relevance to this thread. But true enough, it looks like Duke holds a 21-8 series advantage over Michigan in basketball. A bunch of those Michigan losses came under Tommy Amaker as head coach–a total disaster of an era in Michigan basketball. But the last couple have been very competitive (e.g., Duke 73, Michigan 71 in the third round of last year’s NCAA tournament, and if I recall correctly Michigan’s Darius Morris had a clear look at the basket in the paint with time winding down but missed the little one-handed runner that would have sent it to overtime). Michigan basketball is now on the rise after a couple of down decades. Their backcourt duo of Tim Hardaway, Jr. and Trey Burke is one of the most dynamic in the country, and these are young players; Burke is a true freshman point guard, Hardaway a sophomore 2-guard. As they add a couple of pieces (and a couple of real studs are in the pipeline), they’re going to be a contender in the next year or two. Look out!</p>
<p>Football’s another story entirely. Michigan holds a 6-0 series advantage by a combined score of 173 for Michigan (28.8 points/game) to 46 for Duke (8 points per game), including a 52-0 thumping the last time they played. No contest.</p>
<p>Love the (complete and total) Michigan football dominance over Duke. :-)</p>
<p>The negativity towards Duke is totally fueled by a backlash to their basketball program, it’s success, & propensity of the media to use it as a “model” program. Fair or not, they tend to elicite a “I love them” or “I hate them” response, with not much in between.</p>