<p>I really dont understand why people in my school except other enginners look down on engineers. My roomate and his friends look at my work as irrelevant, they do the same to everybody else. In my english class at the beginning we went around and intoduced ourselve and our majors, students would day oh wow to students who were psycology majors. My roomates friends who is a Pharmacy, states that pharmacists are drasticly more important than engineers and that you could get rid of all the engineers ever and Pharmacists would still be where they are today.</p>
<p>Is this American culture or somthing? because my work compared to the pharmacy work seems like 500x harder.</p>
<p>um at least here at Bucknell, Engineers are near gods. .. . everyone knows they have a ****load of work that is way complicated and complex... It helps that a lot of them are good looking and all of the girls know they'll be making pretty decent $$</p>
<p>Sounds like you got a bunch of jealous snobs at your school..</p>
<p>Usually, though, it is the other way around with engineers looking down on the "lesser/easier" majors such as business and liberal arts.</p>
<p>I second what Lancer78 said.</p>
<p>first, LOL @ pharmacy chick thinking she's smarter than you, an engineer.
second, it sounds to me she just doesnt respect you as a person. would she say disrespectful things like that to you if she thought much of you?</p>
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<p>By NO MEANS, is business at places like Wharton or NYU Stern "easy".</p>
<p>I'm not a buisness major or an engineer but I disagree with you ihateCA. Engineering takes a very different caliber person. The technical and math skills and the time that has to be spent studying complex formulas makes the engineering major far more time consuming and difficult than business. That's not to say business isn't hard but it takes a different set of skills - many of them aren't as focused on learning exact calculations and using advanced calculus. Of course, some engineers might feel the social/communication parts of business are very hard so it's all relative I guess =) I do think that as a whole, Engineering is the more difficult major. There are many many successful beuisness people who don't have college degrees but very few engineers (there are some but compared to the number of people with their own companies/working for large companies it's very small). Business requires more practical knowledge and much less hours upon hours of studying.</p>
<p>I definitely respect engineers. I'm hopeless at math and not all that better at science. I couldn't (and wouldn't be able to) do any of that.</p>
<p>... and that's why I'm a French major.</p>
<p>(However, I don't believe that business or any liberal arts majors are "easier" than engineering. It depends on the person, the school, the professors, the major, and countless other variables.)</p>
<p>Something that surprised me when my son was a freshman engineer this year was the huge amount of writing that was expected, in addition to some public speaking via an engineering conference. They also have requirements to take a certain number of additional writing, humanities and social science courses. Gone are the days of geeky guys with pocket protectors sitting in cubes and crunching numbers. Engineers today must be multifaceted to be successful. I really think that today's engineering students are expected to do it all!</p>
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It's simply not true. Sit that honey down and ask her where drugs come from. Yes, they are developed by bio Ph.Ds, but mass production of drugs is quintessientially an engineering problem. She can push all the pills that she wants, but, without engineers, she would be giving out theriac. How does she think the drugs get there in the first place? Yes, drug interactions are important - but how on earth do you think people find out about drug interactions? Scientists! Engineers! Who designs the equipment to properly measure drugs? Who designs the time-release formulas? Who makes generics or other drugs so her patients will have options? Set that little doll straight. Pharmacists who do their job well can be tremendously beneficial people, but they are not in a vacuum. They are also the last in a long, long line of people and are highly dependent upon those "upstream" from them.</p>
<p>As for engineers being looked down upon... it's snobby people. There is a LOT of anti-engineering snobbery, mostly perpetuated by people who couldn't do it themselves. First of all, there's a myth that engineers don't know how to write. They actually do know how to write - they just don't spend their time learning about feminist sexuality in Shakespeare. </p>
<p>Second - engineering is considered a "trade." I've had people tell me that it's like learning to be an auto mechanic. Again, b.s. perpetuated by people who don't know what's going on. Quantum mechanics is a lot different (and less practical) than learning to rebuild a transmission - engineering teaches you how to think, to analyze, and how to break down a huge problem into something you can solve. I double-majored and can tell you that I learned more about how to be analytical in engin. than I did in liberal arts... but the liberal artists like to think better of themselves. Fact is, engineers do very well in liberal arts courses but l.a. people can't do our stuff.</p>
<p>Third, engineers study a lot and tend to be nerdy, so they are easy targets. Again, snobbery by a bunch of people who will earn 1/3 of what engineers will. :)</p>
<p>yeah, but mjy roomate always states he is garentees to mke at least 120K out of college.</p>
<p>WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK THE PHARMACY PERSON IS A GIRL????? He never said it was a girl. Its interesting the sexism that comes out in people, how you just assume things. . .</p>
<p>I think, at least on this board, it's clearly the other way around. There are dozens of posts about how engineers have the hardest majors by far and statements like "obviously the l.a. people can't do our work" (but I'm not going to name any names). Just because a student studies engineering, doesn't mean he/she couldn't do well in an English class, but in the same vein, you'd have to concede that just because a student studies English, doesn't mean he/she couldn't do well in an engineering class.</p>
<p>The thing on why engineers have it so rough is that their undergrad years are essentially identicle in purpose to any other professional school in that they teach how to be that profession (and I mean profession like doctor, lawyer, pharm, dentist, etc. - business is a field, not a profession as there is no way to define what a businessmen does)</p>
<p>That's why their schooling is hard, because it should really be compared more equally to law school or medical school in terms of actually teaching you the profession. In such a comparison, engineering is not as difficult as other professional schools (b/c they still have to take general ed credits like english and humanities) but definately more difficult at the undergrad level than almost any other major.</p>
<p>However this doesn't undercut their importance by any means. Engineers make the world work. It's just that the individual tasks are not as "vital" which is why they don't make as much money.</p>
<p>Pharm D's will make a guaranteed 6 figures when they graduate. Part of this is the scarcity of PharmD grads, part is the rising cost of health care, and part is of the realization that pharmacists do have a very important task - they are the last line of defense against a wrong drug being administrated. Particularly in hospitals they work with MD's a lot to get drug therapy tailored to the patient. Plus they are all ****ing computers by the end of their second years knowing pretty much everything about the top 500 most prescribed drugs.</p>
<p>Med School/Law School (which are graduate programs) vs. Undergrad Engineering is comparing apples to oranges. It follows that med school/law school should be harder than most undergrad engineering programs.</p>
<p>However, comparing things on the same level... undergrad vs. undergrad:</p>
<p>Undergrad Engineering is harder than Pre-Med</p>
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<p>Engineering GRAD school (AE, EE, ME, CheME, Nuclear) is even more difficult than Med or Law School. Particularly, if you are getting a Phd in Engineering.</p>
<p>Sccessful doctors and lawyers might end up making more "on average" (although some of my AE professors break 200K a year), but still.</p>
<p>engineers? looked down upon? people who feel that way at your school are not the norm.</p>
<p>try being a theatre major. i get funny looks everytime i tell a stranger what my major is. most people don't take us seriously.</p>
<p>I don't look down on engineers. I'm a Computer Science major so I know how they feel with all of the work they have to do.</p>
<p>And we engineers have a lot of respect for CS majors too.</p>
<p>i know how hard it is, and being an engineer is over my head but...no offense but engineers are getting outsourced these days. because india has so many good ones,and IIT is now the best engineering school.</p>