<p>"chaces are crapshoot"
so theyre a crapshoot for ivies but not for good universities? huh?</p>
<p>"u has better engineering than the ivies"
thats a generalization. id say mit/caltech/cmu/and somemore, but cant just make a generalization.</p>
<p>" i have no idea why anyone would go to dartmouth, or any ivy, for engineering."
so? not everyone want to be an engineer. and i actually know someone that wants to go to an ivy for engineering.</p>
<p>"you'd be saving alot more than 16k"
why? i dont think MIT is any cheaper than Harvard. plus, ive looked at some of my need based finaid packages, and i KNOW going to a 40k+ school would only be about 20k total in loans more for me than going to my state school.</p>