@compmom I don’t get the offense really… my older dd has mental health issues and an LD - she definitely did the crash and burn. It is what it is -and I know I did the best I could. It doesn’t make her a BAD person that it happened or that we say it happened. Despite her challenges, she still needed (needs) to take responsibility and my kid so far really kind of hasn’t. She needs to take her medication, get counseling, make some kind of education a priority or live with the consequences and not blame others. She absolutely crashed and burned and I am not offended by someone saying so at all.