<p>"So you are honored by being referred to derisively?"</p>
<p>I practice S&M on the weekends with random partners from craigslist. :D</p>
<p>^^me too!!^^</p>
<p>nicopico, I am not surprised. At all.</p>
<p>Wow, I'm so glad I'm going to berkeley right now. So which dorms will you two be staying in?</p>
<p>I'm living off campus..easier to bring home randoms and such. lol..you know what I'm talking about, nicopico..gotta keep that noise down.</p>
<p>I wonder why sakky stoped- he's a busy man, sure. Maybe he felt as if he was just repeating himself all the time.</p>
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Personality wise, students like SAKKY are extremely bitter and even ****ed off because students like us get to pretty much play 4 years in HS and really work and dedicate ourselves for 2 years and transfer. No, I'm not saying it was easy, but UC students (including my very own friends) all tend to be bitter towards transfer students because of the alternative path that we chose as compared to the more popular path of getting in out of HS.
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<p>Once again, let me reiterate. I have nothing against the notion of transfer students coming to Berkeley, in theory. Indeed, I have myself proposed the idea that ALL Berkeley undergrads should be transfers, and that Berkeley should not even run a freshman/sophomore class at all. </p>
<p>The issue is a matter of FAIRNESS. Like I said, I have no problem with transfer students coming to Berkeley. The problem comes when there is the possibility that the transfer path might actually be easier than the transfer-admit path. I welcome transfer students, but it should be no EASIER to graduate from Berkeley as a transfer than as a freshman-admit. That's the real concern - that it should be fair. I believe that the situation, as currently run, is not fair, and I suspect that it is easier to graduate as a transfer student than as a continuing student, notably because the transfer students get to skip over weeders.</p>
<p>Now, don't get me wrong. I am not BLAMING the transfer students. I am well aware that they did not create the current situation. If anybody is to blame, it's the Berkeley administration. They are the ones who are in charge of making sure that the situation is fair, and if they are not doing that, then they are not doing their job.</p>
<p>People shouldn't resent transfer students from community colleges. After all, we did lose 2 years of the college experience, often living in our parent's basement. You get what you pay for, and paying for a four year university for four years gets you just that.</p>
<p>^^I agree..also, it's quite a bit easier to get those three letters of recs needed for grad school from professors when you have been at the university for four years instead of just two.</p>
<p>and getting a 4.0 in HS doesn't really prove ****....as seen by many academic probations....and as statistics show in UC transfers perform as well as people who have been there from the beginning</p>
<p>This whole thing is getting old. Everyone keeps repeating themselves. Maybe if we were willing to actually consider each other's points and not stick to personal biases this would go somewhere.</p>
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and getting a 4.0 in HS doesn't really prove ****....as seen by many academic probations....and as statistics show in UC transfers perform as well as people who have been there from the beginning
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<p>Do you really think that? Show me some statistics about how the 4.0 students do compared to others. Now, I think many students under 4.0 unweighted do very well, and I think many probably do better than the 4.0 students, but I think a high school 4.0 from someone taking many harder classes often means something. How hyperbolic is your statement? Just say what you mean. If it really means nothing, why is GPA such a big factor in college admissions? IN the words of sakky, are the college admissions peopel being stupid? What do you think is the single best predictor of college success? Yeah, high school GPA.</p>
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Maybe if we were willing to actually consider each other's points and not stick to personal biases this would go somewhere.
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<p>What a proposition! It'd be like having . . . dialogue. An actual debate! I think you propose quite a good idea, although I personally feel I've been doing this since the beginning, and trying to do it. And no, I have never resented a single transfer student being at Berkeley (but particularly in the sciences and engineering it sounds at least a tad problematic), and one transfer student is one of my closest friends.</p>
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Do you really think that? Show me some statistics about how the 4.0 students do compared to others. Now, I think many students under 4.0 unweighted do very well, and I think many probably do better than the 4.0 students, but I think a high school 4.0 from someone taking many harder classes often means something.
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The correlation isn't THAT strong. The fact you mention "someone taking many harder classes" is very important too; they have found that it's something that must be considered...not all gpas are equal, obviously.</p>
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If it really means nothing, why is GPA such a big factor in college admissions?
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Because some quantitative measures have to be used, and of those available, the gpa is a clear pick, along with test scores. GPA alone is not significant enough of a factor to gauge success.</p>
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What do you think is the single best predictor of college success? Yeah, high school GPA.
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No, the single best predictor of college success is previous college success (for instance, college gpa) :). HIGH SCHOOL gpa is arguably the most important factor for those who have no college record, but there are of course many different studies and ideas on that (it is far from something that can be assumed). For instance:</p>
<p>It's sakky in particular (not you, DRab) who continues to repeat himself, while transfers spout out trite responses.</p>
<p>I would be interested in a study of GPA prediction with various factors that takes into account college and discipline grading practices. Many very high high school and college GPA students with high test scores find themselves earning lower grades in engineering courses at Berkeley, a general trend country-wide. But that's another issue (that I think should be taking into account in these studies).</p>
<p>Edit: I'm also shocked to see that the ACT released a report about how the ACT is a good tool to use.</p>
<p>:rolleyes:</p>
<p>I wrote this lovely post about the above subject, but then I refreshed and saw that gabe got to it first. Fiddlesticks!</p>
<p>"Do you really think that? Show me some statistics about how the 4.0 students do compared to others. Now, I think many students under 4.0 unweighted do very well, and I think many probably do better than the 4.0 students, but I think a high school 4.0 from someone taking many harder classes often means something. How hyperbolic is your statement? Just say what you mean. If it really means nothing, why is GPA such a big factor in college admissions? IN the words of sakky, are the college admissions peopel being stupid? What do you think is the single best predictor of college success? Yeah, high school GPA." </p>
<p>it only means that the student likes taking harder classes...are you suggesting that someone taking Math instead of Math Honors will perform poorly in college? GPA only indicates how MIGHT the student do in college...doesn't really guarantee success...and it's easy to get 4.0 by taking easy classes too in HS</p>
<p>I did say "taking many harder classes." Certainly what you take is also important (as is how you do.)</p>
<p>They definately need to raise the bar for ccc transfer students to top UC's. 3.7 gpa+++ seems fair :)</p>