<p>Or not.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that many Cal students got into both Stanford and Cal, but chose the latter for money reasons. In addition, I don't see how one would feel inferior for attending a university ranked in the top five in many world rankings (Stanford & Cal are often neck-and-neck in rankings). Cal also beats Stanfurd in some academic ways, too (Nobel Laureates, # programs in the top 10, etc.). =)</p>
<p>wait wait, inferiority as in stanfurd feeling inferior to us because some of them don't even get to see the axe on campus during their entire undergrad years?</p>
<p>
[Quote]
Keep in mind that many Cal students got into both Stanford and Cal, but chose the latter for money reasons.
[/quote]
</p>
<p>Many? Stanford has an admit rate of 10.9%
<a href="http://www.stanford.edu/dept/uga/applying/extras/1_2a6_profile.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.stanford.edu/dept/uga/applying/extras/1_2a6_profile.html</a></p>
<p>Berkeley has 23.5% <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California%2C_Berkeley_Student_Admissions%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California%2C_Berkeley_Student_Admissions</a></p>
<p>And we weren't talking about whether one school is better than the other. Graduate admissions Stanford and Berkeley are neck in neck, because they are both excellent schools, but undergrad there's no denying stanford is more selective. And odds are, if you applied to Berkeley, you applied to Stanford. The people I see who are most vocal about the bashing are the people who didn't get into Stanford.</p>
<p>95% of cross admits choose Stanford..
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/09/17/weekinreview/20060917_LEONHARDT_CHART.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/09/17/weekinreview/20060917_LEONHARDT_CHART.html</a></p>
<p>Stanford Beat Cal!!! :D lol
<a href="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070402-mpaa-names-its-top-25-movie-piracy-schools.html%5B/url%5D">http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070402-mpaa-names-its-top-25-movie-piracy-schools.html</a></p>
<p>65% of students chooses Berkeley over UCLA :D</p>
<p>Yeah, I think you have to cross admit stats. People will choose Stanford over Cal if they got into both.</p>
<p>I can't agree with the statement that if you applied to Cal, you most likely applied to Stanford as well. I don't know many that applied to Stanford. Harvard, Yale, Duke, yes, but not Stanford. Personally, I never heard of Stanford or Cal until after I applied to four random UCs.</p>
<p>Thread Title Reads:
[quote]
Why does Berkeley always bash on Stanford?
[/quote]
</p>
<p>merper68:
[quote]
Honestly?
Football rivalry amplified by an inferiority complex.
For most undergrads, at least.
[/quote]
</p>
<p>
[quote]
Many? Stanford has an admit rate of 10.9%
<a href="http://www.stanford.edu/dept/uga/app...6_profile.html%5B/url%5D%5B/quote%5D">http://www.stanford.edu/dept/uga/app...6_profile.html
[/quote]
</a></p>
<p>
[quote]
The people I see who are most vocal about the bashing are the people who didn't get into Stanford.
[/quote]
</p>
<p>I see what you're doing here, tricky person...</p>
<p>Yuck Fale, and PHUCK STANFURD!</p>
<p>merper68: how do those admit rates say that Cal students didn't or can't get into Stanford? I wasn't denying that Stanford's more selective, but rather saying that many Cal students have gotten into Stanford (many of whom I know chose Cal to save money).</p>
<p>fuzzylogic: the cross-admit table from the link shows predicted choices (many will choose Harvard over, say, Dartmouth because of the name); it doesn't reflect what actually happens, though.</p>
<p>One thing to consider, though, is: how would the top ~1,600 freshmen at Cal compare to Stanford's freshman class (~1,600)? As I see it, Cal has the awesome students + many not as awesome (but still generally awesome) + great ones + the ones that make you go, "WTH how did you get in?!" (Berkeley wants their moneyz, obviously). =)</p>
<p>Again, we're not talking about whether there are good students at both schools. There are. But fuzzylogic's 1st article speaks for itself. Maybe a few you've met chose berkeley over cal for financial reasons, but 19/20 students who were able to get into both schools chose Stanford, which leaves the ones who applied but didn't get in sometimes looking for an outlet to marginalize their own failures. Not that it is by any means a failure to go to Cal, it's just that a Stanford admission would make a lot of top students more happier than a Cal admission, even if it's simply to prove that they could beat the cut.</p>
<p>
[quote]
merper68: how do those admit rates say that Cal students didn't or can't get into Stanford? I wasn't denying that Stanford's more selective, but rather saying that many Cal students have gotten into Stanford (many of whom I know chose Cal to save money).
[/quote]
</p>
<p>Well, given Stanford's new financial aid policy, I think the reverse is also true -that some students (especially poor out-of-state students) will find that Stanford is actually * cheaper * than Cal, once financial aid is factored in. Hence, I wouldn't be surprised to find some students who actually chose Stanford over Cal for the money. </p>
<p>
[quote]
fuzzylogic: the cross-admit table from the link shows predicted choices (many will choose Harvard over, say, Dartmouth because of the name); it doesn't reflect what actually happens, though.
[/quote]
</p>
<p>Yeah, but the study is actually an * even stronger * statement compared to just an assessment drawn from cross-admit data. Plenty of people don't apply to both schools. I know plenty of out-of-staters who apply to Stanford, but not Cal (again, because if you're out of state, Cal is probably not going to save you any money), and many of these people (probably most) would have chosen Stanford even if they had gotten into Cal. The same also holds for many Cal applicants - I know many Cal applicants who never even applied to Stanford (usually because they didn't think they'd get in), but if they had gotten in, they would have gone. For example, for many students, Berkeley was their successful "reach" school - as they just applied to all of the UC's, thinking that they'd probably end up at one of the mid-tier ones, and are ecstatic that they actually got into Berkeley. But they didn't apply to HYPSM (because they didn't think they'd get in) but probably would have taken it had they gotten.</p>