<p>so i guess that based upon the info provided by idad, it doesn't really matter if someone went to uchi or a more selective higher tiered school. ok, i can dig that. that is certainly good news for the ivy rejects that were smart enough to ea uchi.</p>
<p>Or, if one prefers a greater academic challenge to attend Chicago as their first choice, as many do.</p>
<p>Wow Bnb, did you read Mack's recent post? Do you really think anyone other than an Ivy grad gives a hoot if someone went to Brown? Maybe in Rhode Island?</p>
<p>Dartmouth? You mean animal house? Penn, the school commonly confused with Penn State? Cornell? A state school...</p>
<p>Another curious factor to consider:</p>
<p>As a Harvard grad, are you more likely to interview with someone who is a fellow alum, or someone whose kid was rejected by H, and is still mad?</p>
<p>Oh heck, this is a waste of time on a Chicago board.</p>
<p>It's interesting to read all of the posts regarding UChicago's high admittance rate and low yield and the perceived reasons for this. Who cares?</p>
<p>Chicago is a great school that happens to be easier to get into than the Ivys. If it's a safety school for the Ivys - so what.</p>
<p>Academically, it is probably equal or better than any or all Ivys. It's true that there is less prestige but whenever anyone asks where my son goes to school, I am proud to say Chicago and there are a lot of so-called WOW's.</p>
<p>According to admission statistics in USNWR, there were only 22,000 acceptances to Ivys last year for 13,000 slots. That leaves a lot of Ivy rejects. </p>
<p>I love the so-called experts that have nothing better to do than criticize Chicago yet have no connection with the school other than survey statistics and hearsay. If you are thinking of attending Chicago, are an alumnus, a current student or a relative of either, you input is welcome.</p>
<p>If you attend or have attended Ivy schools and think you are a Chicago or statistical expert on college admissions, get a life.</p>
<p>newmassdad: my answer to your question is that the harvard grad would probably be interviewing with the alum while the uchi kid sits in the waiting room for the other two to get back from lunch. </p>
<p>mack: you're right, who cares if anyone else knows what an ivy is. as long as uchi people know, that's enough.</p>
<p>Haha, harsh. What exactly is the contention, I don't understand. There are some facts though:</p>
<p>UofC is easier to get into than every single Ivy
The cirriculum at UofC is harder than most Ivies
The quality of education at each can be disputed until the cows come home
Employers don't give a ***** about what school you went to as long as you can do the job</p>
<p>Question for BnB, why do you always refer to "The Ivies" as a single unit? There are 7 different Ivies and I'm sure they differ from one another as much as they differ from UofC. Grouping schools togeether to compare to other schools on the basis of elitism and prestige is ridiculous.</p>
<p>Harvard grads seem to be having their problems. From the Wall Street Journal (Friday, April 29, 2005):</p>
<p>"Of the Fortune 1000 CEOs appointed so far this year, just one, Corning's Wendell Weeks, earned a Harvard MBA. Asked about Harvard's declining presence in the executive suites, Mr. Weeks jokingly told USA Today: "I've yet to see a study that Harvard creates value." </p>
<p>From the same article: </p>
<p>Mr. Niederhoffer and Ms. Kenner looked at the nine Nasdaq 100 firms headed by Harvard grads and found that they had, over a five-year period, dramatically underperformed Nasdaq firms run by graduates of other Ivy League schools, Ivy League equivalents (Stanford, MIT, Berkeley) and state schools.</p>
<p>the article goes on to say:</p>
<p>"Harvard is also a much less important intellectual hub than it once was. The University of Chicago, for one, has wielded much more influence in recent decades." ...(One striking measure of the [Chicago economics] department's clout: Of the 55 economists awarded the Nobel Prize since 1969, when economics was added to the roster, 10 have taught at Chicago and an additional 13 either trained at Chicago or had previously taught there. Harvard, by contrast, has had four faculty winners.) </p>
<p>Are we seeing a little Chicago envy in all these "prestige" posts?</p>
<p>Haha, I still don't think Chicago carries much clout in the real world. I still have yet to find a teacher or friend who has heard of it and actually knows something about it. Who the heck cares besides BnB and some Chicago posters who defend this priceless preception of prestige? </p>
<p>A side note: I wonder what percentage of Ivy studets associate success with fmonetary wealth compared to Chicago students. That would be an interesting survey.</p>
<p>Good question. I believe it is still he case (but it has been a while since I've seen the numbers) that Chicago is the teacher of teachers, producing more college faculty than any other school. Perhaps this indicates that there is something to this love of learning thing.</p>
<p>idad: "Harvard grads and found that they had, over a five-year period, dramatically underperformed Nasdaq firms run by graduates of other Ivy League schools, Ivy League equivalents (Stanford, MIT, Berkeley) and state schools."</p>
<p>i've never heard berkely referred to as an ivy equivalent. cool.</p>
<p>UC Berkeley is very highly regarded in surveys of University quality other than USNWR. Here are three (all rankings are pretty much nonsense, however):</p>
<p>LEITER (Univ. of Texas) RANKING OF U.S. UNIVERSITIES BY UNDERGRADUATE EDUCATIONAL QUALITY
<a href="http://www.utexas.edu/law/faculty/bleiter/Undergra2001.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.utexas.edu/law/faculty/bleiter/Undergra2001.html</a></p>
<p>TOP 20 UNIVERSITIES NOT PRIMARILY SCIENCE/ENGINEERING</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard University </li>
<li>Princeton University </li>
<li>Stanford University </li>
<li>University of Chicago </li>
<li>Yale University </li>
<li>Columbia University </li>
<li>University of Pennsylvania </li>
<li>Brown University </li>
<li>Cornell University </li>
<li>Duke University </li>
<li>Emory University </li>
<li>Johns Hopkins University </li>
<li>Northwestern University </li>
<li>Rice University </li>
<li>University of California, Berkeley </li>
<li>Washington University, St. Louis </li>
<li>Brandeis University </li>
<li>Dartmouth College </li>
<li>University of California, Los Angeles </li>
<li>University of Michigan, Ann Arbor</li>
<li>University of Wisconsin, Madison</li>
</ol>
<p>World University Rankings
<a href="http://www.epfl.ch/soc/etudes/pdf/world-rankingsUnis.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.epfl.ch/soc/etudes/pdf/world-rankingsUnis.pdf</a></p>
<p>1 Harvard University US
2 University of California, Berkeley
3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology US
4 California Institute of Technology<br>
5 Oxford University UK
6 Cambridge University UK
7 Stanford University US
8 Yale University US
9 Princeton University US
10 ETH Zurich Switzerland
11 London School of Economics UK
12 Tokyo University Japan
13 University of Chicago US</p>
<p>Shanghai Jiao Tong University's Rankings of the world's top 500 Universities <a href="http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/ranking.htm%5B/url%5D">http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/ranking.htm</a></p>
<p>1 Harvard University
2 University of Cambridge
3 Stanford University
4 University of California, Berkeley
5 MIT
6 California IT
7 Columbia University
8 Princeton University
9 University of Chicago
10 University of Oxford</p>
<p>Berkeley=The poor man's ivy</p>
<p>Only if one lives "in-state."</p>
<p>is U of Chic or Johns Hopkins tougher to get in?</p>
<p>UChicago=Overall acceptance rate: 40% all types</p>
<p>JHU=Overall acceptance rate: 30%
Early-decision acceptance rate: 59%
Early-action acceptance rate: N/A
Acceptance rate (excluding early-action and early-decision students): 28%</p>
<p>what is most important for uchi's admission department is the fact that so few of their acceptances actually choose to enroll at the school. the yield indicates that the most elite students choose to attend other schools rather than uchi. with such a low yield, i imagine that it is uchi that is envious of the other schools regardless of whether their programs are more or less highly regarded than the programs offered by uchi. in fact, it would be more troubling to uchi that even with a suposedly superior program, students flock to the other schools rather than attend uchi. this leaves uchi with enrollees comprising of students that, although not all, for the most part are not ivy quality. when i say ivy quality, i mean those who realistically have a chance of acceptance to the elite schools. i'm sure that someone will say that they know the friend of a friends s or d who had a friend that chose uchi over an ivy, but that is one uchi success story against a backdrop of 34% yield and is the exception and not the rule. also that person probably was paid by uchi to attend. </p>
<p>michaelburt: last i checked there were 8 ivies. i also commend you for being able to break free from your peer confines to realize that uchi is a wonderful first choice for you. also, just because your townie friends have never heard of uchi, does not mean that uchi is obscure. it is a very well respected institiution. yet, to say that noone cares about an ivy pedigree in the employment world is naive and you will mature to understand that. in fact, if you don't raise the bucks to get into uchi, and ultimately end up at street corner U, you will find out very quickly the difference in the school you attend when you visit the career services office. there's a big difference between goldman and day manager at mickyd's.</p>
<p>I don't need to raise any bucks to get in, I just need to raise some bucks to pay for it. Being forced to attend one of my state schools such as W&M and UVa presents a pleasant alternative that would :hopefully: keep me out of the fast food industry though.</p>
<p>michaelburt;
good planning that your folks are Virginians! I don't think you are going to have to flip <em>too</em> many burgers (although a stint doing so an undergrad is an education in itself...).</p>
<p>Haha, how true. I have already served way too many bags of popcorn at the local movie theatre. I think I will take on the construction industry next, good dough...</p>
<p>thanks hazmat! goodluck to u all. fingers crossed!</p>