<p>Typically jobs requiring an engineering license. For example, to design the structure of a building in New York, you have to be registered as a professional engineer in the state of NY, which involves going through the entire licensing process. You can’t just bring in an engineer from another country.</p>
<p>I can’t think of any other than the person being physically tied to the jobsite but then again, a cheaper foreigner may be imported.</p>
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Perhaps, but if the foreigner is not fluent in English, communication with the local workers will be difficult. Poor communication will lead to mistakes and lower efficiency, and I’d be surprised if the savings in the engineer’s salary isn’t offset by this.</p>
<p>Other jobs that can’t be outsourced: those that are related to national security.</p>
<p>“Other jobs that can’t be outsourced: those that are related to national security.”</p>
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<p>Did you read the Boeing press release I posted above?</p>
<p>I don’t see a Boeing press release above…</p>
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<p>Yep, and what a pain in the rear it is to keep the NY license current! They require the continuing education courses to be approved by the state. There ARE quite a few online approved courses, but NY requires that at least half the credits be earned in person (“live” seminars). There aren’t very many approved organizations, either. This is hard enough to accomlish in Maine, so I can’t imagine doing it from a foreign country.</p>
<p>CHICAGO, Feb. 14, 2008 – The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] and Tata Industries Limited of India have agreed on a plan to form a joint-venture company that will initially include more than US$500 million of defense-related aerospace component work in India for export to Boeing and its international customers. </p>
<p>Under the memorandum of agreement signed by Boeing and Tata, it is contemplated that the joint-venture company will be established by June 2008, and shortly thereafter will begin work building Boeing aerospace components. </p>
<p>“I am very excited to announce this agreement,” said Jim Albaugh, president and CEO of Boeing Integrated Defense Systems. “It represents another step in our commitment to India, in this case by linking the capabilities and heritages of these two companies, in order to bring real and lasting value to India’s aerospace industry, while making Boeing products more globally competitive.” </p>
<p>It is the intent of Boeing and Tata not only to utilize existing Tata manufacturing capability, but also to develop new supply sources throughout the Indian manufacturing and engineering communities for both commercial and defense applications. </p>
<p>“This joint venture between Tata and Boeing is an important part of our strategy to build capabilities in defense and aerospace,” said Ratan Tata, chairman of the Tata Group. “I look forward to the joint venture becoming a world-class facility in India.” </p>
<p>Manufacturing capabilities established within the joint-venture company would in later phases be leveraged across multiple Boeing programs, including the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition. </p>
<p>In the first phase of the agreement, Boeing would potentially issue contracts for work packages to the joint-venture company involving defense-related component manufacturing on Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet for the U.S. Navy and Royal Australian Air Force, CH-47 Chinook and/or P-8 Maritime Patrol Aircraft. A research and development center for advanced manufacturing technologies is also contemplated. </p>
<p>“Boeing is strengthening and deepening its partnerships with Indian industry through a wide range of new teaming opportunities,” said Ian Thomas, president of Boeing India. “Our joint venture with Tata marks a significant milestone in our ongoing journey to build world-class aerospace and defense manufacturing capability in India.” </p>
<p>Boeing’s history in India reaches back more than 60 years, marked by success in working with airline customers, parts suppliers, research institutes and others to provide products and services. In December 2003, Boeing established a wholly owned subsidiary, Boeing International Corporation India Private Limited (BICIPL), to support the growing demands of India’s aviation, aerospace and defense industries. </p>
<p>[Boeing:</a> Boeing and Tata Industries Announce India Joint Venture](<a href=“http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2008/q1/080214a_nr.html]Boeing:”>http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2008/q1/080214a_nr.html)</p>
<p>Homer28, Boeing is a company with a vast amount of clients and contracts, many of which are international and/or non-US sensitive. Opening a joint venture in India will likely involve dated US defense technology, and/or non-defense related technology. However, I assure you that Boeing and the other national defense contractors will not outsource US defense related jobs… they don’t even hire foreigners (or people with a strong foreign influence) for these jobs. Sure, technology like the F-18 will be sold abroad, but I can assure you it is with limited components as well as the respective country’s self-made technology.</p>
<p>Yeah that Boeing story proves nothing. They didn’t outsource their jobs, they just outsourced their materials. They certainly aren’t having India design the components for their defense projects or do the R&D. Additionally, as gstein pointed out, most export fighter planes are a “dumbed down” version of those fielded by the US. You don’t give equal or better technology to your rivals. It is bad form. Therefore, who knows what components the Indian company is actually making.</p>
<p>The Pentagon is in the process of reducing spending on weapons systems. Even in defense, jobs will be hard to come by with or without outsourcing.</p>
<p>There will always be defense and INTEL spending for contracts that not even the Pentagon has control over.</p>
<p>NSA, FBI and CIA do not have to abide by the Pentagon. All three make their OWN budgets.</p>
<p>You are remarkably short-sighted, Homer28. Do you understand how huge the budget for defense is? As long as there are still individual nations in the world, there will be defense spending.</p>
<p>Nahh. The Military Indistrial complex isn’t going away anytime soon and as long it’s around there will be plenty of jobs to pass around to Americans.</p>
<p>“NSA, FBI and CIA do not have to abide by the Pentagon.”</p>
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<p>The NSA is part of the Pentagon. From Wikipedia:</p>
<p>“The National Security Agency/Central Security Service (NSA/CSS) is a cryptologic intelligence agency of the United States government, administered as part of the United States Department of Defense.”</p>
<p>Take in mind that when people refer to “the Pentagon” they are referring to the Dept. of Defense.</p>
<p>Just because NSA gets it money from DoD doesn’t mean it actually gets run by DoD. It may be technically a part, but I guarantee you that NSA enjoys an unbelievable amount of freedom from oversight, for better or for worse, that would scare a lot of people.</p>
<p>What is a bean counter doing posting in the engineering forums anyway?</p>
<p>I was actually thinking of getting an electrical engineering technology degree so that I can become an electrician. I have no interest at all in being an engineer. Crummy job if you ask me.</p>
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May I ask why you think so? I am not trying to dissuade you - being an electrician is lucrative and definitely fills a valuable role, and if that is what you prefer, more power to you. I am just curious.</p>
<p>I’m with cosmicfish on this one homer.</p>
<p>If you are going to say something like that about a respected field such as engineering then least you can do is enlighten us on why you feel that way about it.</p>
<p>I don’t want a 9-5 white-collar job, but I’m doing engineering. My reasons:
-Math and science and engineering classes may not be my favorites, because I don’t like lectures that much, but I enjoy them as much or more than my fellow engineers, so that’s a good sign.
-I’ve always been good at math, science, and problem solving.
-I had a lot of AP math/science credit coming in, and basically I started on the engineering sequence right away freshman year. This basically means that, if I were to switch majors (incoming sophomore, btw) to something regarded as a lighter unit load, I’d still have to complete the same number of units.<br>
-I don’t have a big enough motivating force to stop this built up engineering inertia.<br>
-An engineering degree can lead to almost anything and is a solid backup plan in case I end up wanting that 9-5 job later on.<br>
-It gives me something to do.
-I can say proudly that I’m an engineering major- people respect that haha. </p>
<p>Really though I want to go into Hollywood or teach high school or something of that sort.</p>