<p>the "religious" part may have given it away, maybe?</p>
<p>That was my thought too, hmm. I'm gonna leave it alone though. I have posted way more than enough info on here to identify me if someone really wanted to, so best not to make enemies.</p>
<p>I'd say that frats that are "gay-friendly" would have to be Sigma Chi, Phi Delt, and Lambda Chi the other ones are probably not so much.</p>
<p>I welcome conjecture and guessing as to which fraternity I'm in. I'm not entirely sure if and why it matters, unless you know me personally and would like to link our social and CC friendships.
I really don't see how the word "religious" is the kicker. There are two religiously affiliated fraternities (AEPi and ZBT are both officially jewish). Some others are also Christian affiliated....there's a reason so many damn fraternities have the letter "Chi" in their names.
Arbiter, I welcome your public or private attempt to identify me. If your fear is of "making enemies", then I thank you for apparently rushing my fraternity.</p>
<p>Haha, not really that interested. Though I'm curious what link Chi has to Christianity?</p>
<p>I want to know because I'm going to rush there. Ha ha.</p>
<p>Where is there lol. You mean, wherever Cerebral is?</p>
<p>Yes, everyone come rush _______. Seriously, have a great time during rush week. There are tons of houses with different prevailing cultures and each offer a unique experience for the next 3.6666666667 years of your NU career.
If you haven't been rushing beforehand, then try to get a real feel for as many different houses as possible. Rush week is really stressful for brothers and rushers, so cut some people a little bit of slack if they seem tense (but not too much slack, jackasses will always be jackasses). The events are a bit off-the-wall and dinner-time conversation is usually pretty contrived. I showed up late to rush week and rushed the only house that didn't rush me. It was a bunch of guys who wanted to meet me and, until they realized how super-sweet I am, didn't care if I would drop my bid (hint: "dropping bids" means joining in GreekSpeak).
If you happen to run into a sweet Poli Sci/Econ double major sophomore who lives in Allison Hall and he happens to drop a line about his love of the "Cerebral Assassin" as a moniker of Paul Levesque or as a forensics nickname, then I STRONGLY urge you to rush that one.</p>
<p>And my shameless self-promotion has no bounds, so don't bother asking.</p>
<p>Umm, I'm definitely not rushing. I don't like being told what to do. sorry that my sarcasm didn't come through. </p>
<p>I'm just curious which of the frats are homophobic even in the slightest.</p>
<p>Ummm... ZBT isn't officially Jewish. I mean traditionally it is a Jewish fraternity (its roots are in the Zionist movement, haha) but at NU it is hardly the case.</p>
<p>ZBT is not a Jewish frat in anything but a technicality at this point. AEPi is the only truly Jewish fraternity in North America.</p>
<p>Apologies for misidentifying ZBT. I know that it was founded by zionists back in the day. Unlike AEPi, ZBT has many non-jewish brothers. AEPi is a relative newcomer to NU and is largely the result of the tireless efforts of Rabbi Klein, who has created a vibrant and proud Jewish community. However, it is seen as distant from the other fraternities since it is so religious, though some brothers are not observant.
Other students, particularly greeks, are free to agree or disagree but I see AEPi almost as I see the Hispanic or African-American greek organizations since they really have a lot of independence. To be sure, AEPi does things with other sororities and fraternities, but they are defined by Judaism.
Sanjen, I'm not terribly concerned whether or not you rush. If I told you to accept a million dollars, I'm glad you would decline because of your own intellectual independence. Your obstinance is greatly appreciated.
Just a thought to ponder: greek organizations do not "owe" people anything. Freshmen males will not be wise to blackmail fraternities with the "I might rush" card. I've worked the door at too many gatherings to see 18 year old punks demand acts of varying legality because they are freshmen. The Greeks provide a great deal to the community. Non-Greeks can either benefit (philanthropies are a TON of fun, parties are great, and fundraisers support great causes) or not. The elitism comes not from the Greeks but the non-Greeks who boldly defy "Greek elitism".
And you want to know which fraternities are homophobic but you have no intentions of rushing? Why? So you can publicly condemn any brother who wears letters? If you don't want to join, it doesn't matter. And because a fraternity would be apprehensive about having a homosexual does not make every brother a homophobe. I've clearly failed to explain that while prevailing cultures and priorities exist, each brother is a unique person...a common mantra of non-Greeks. If you want the individualism and pride of not rushing, give the same respect to those who did.
Hate to end on a downer, but I try to remove shades of gray between ignorance and arrogance.</p>
<p>I think you over-reacted. I'm sure Greek like contributes much to University life but just in a different way. I'm fully aware that each "brother" is unique, but the selection process itself is based on arbitrary and superficial criteria (such as the consideration of sexual orientation) and is therefore elitist, if not discriminatory. Also, being part of a Greek organization requires more conformity than just a regular club, so a member's individuality is inevitably more stifled. I'm just not willing to conform to that degree. I wasn't trying to blackmail you or anything, lol.</p>
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the selection process itself is based on arbitrary and superficial criteria (such as the consideration of sexual orientation) and is therefore elitist, if not discriminatory.
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I think THAT is elitist and discriminatory. It may be true at some schools, or at some fraternities, but judging all rush as being like that is very ignorant.</p>
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Only true if you let it be.</p>
<p>OK, well the Greek org. in question here is CerebralAssassin's, which he mentioned has some reservations about admitting gay people.</p>
<p>I mean, to be fair...your comments were very broad, and clearly not directed at one particular group. And, I am pretty sure he never said anything like that, at all. He said some houses would handle it differently than others (his opinion, btw, not fact) and it MIGHT help to put it out there before rushing. Then other people came forward and said different things... so I'm not sure where you're getting this idea as fact from.</p>
<p>I am not trying to start another little argument here, but you are putting words in peoples' mouths and being a bit critical/judgmental.</p>
<p>A lot of the time it seems that people that are not rushing feel stronger about their decision not to join a Greek organization than those that are joining. There's definitely more negativity about not joining than optimism for joining.</p>
<p>WHOA! WHOA! WHOA!
WHERE DID I EVER SAY THAT MY ORGANIZATION HAS RESERVATIONS ABOUT ADMITTING GAY PEOPLE? Find it. Go ahead, I dare you.
I rushed with a friend who is homosexual, we both joined, and are currently brothers. There are a few homosexuals in the house and they aren't mistreated or singled out. They are free to bring male friends or male partners to date parties and formals. It's not a big deal. You're the one making it a big deal and creating this phantom of Greek homophobia.
I have said, and continue to stand by this, someone who isn't heterosexual, should talk to the chapter president, rush chair, etc. to make sure it isn't an issue. I told my house's rush chair that I was highly involved in another extra-curricular which would keep me from being on campus for many weekends. Some people express concern over their grades. Others ask if it is "okay" to be abstainers. Others want to make sure there will be no hazing etc.
Those with concerns should voice their concerns sooner rather than later (assuming you have a bid, of course).</p>
<p>And the overwhelming majority of houses do not have a "conformist agenda". People of different religions, races, interests, backgrounds and, yes, sexual orientations can be found in almost all houses. </p>
<p>You made a completely unfounded attack on my house (THIS is why I don't want to reveal which fraternity I'm in) and have made generalizations about a topic which you clearly know very little about.Instead of watching Animal House and The Skulls, maybe you should spend some time with a Greek. And instead of making personal and impersonal attacks, you should probably evaluate the credibility and the verity of your comments.</p>
<p>I think when he said CerebralAssassin's Greek organization, he meant the Greek system you are a part of, and not your actual house.</p>