Why I like Tufts

<p>"At one point, we all looked at each other, laughed, and said, "Only at Tufts!""</p>

<p>I can't stop laughing at this line. It's such a blatant lie but what makes it all the more rediculous is that you actually think people are dumb enough to believe that four people would all simultaneously make eye contact, then all on cue burst into laughter, only for one of them (or was it all four) to cap it all off by uttering some lame catch slogan like "Only at Tufts."</p>

<p>LOL!!! I mean, you couldn't script a better commercial.</p>

<p>"I actually like the primary source"</p>

<p>Then you're just a bad person. Straightup.</p>

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"I actually like the primary source"</p>

<p>Then you're just a bad person. Straightup.

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<p>Well aren't you an absolutist.</p>

<p>Oh my, don't we have a charming person in our presence? </p>

<p>RightBackAtYou, I cannot help but think that you are wasting not your time, but your life. There are two better uses of your time, that would help you to enjoy your life: getting something out of your university, or working on transfer applications. </p>

<p>I don't really like to pull the older/wiser card often, but here goes: as one who thoroughly enjoyed her undergraduate years, I know what happiness and satisfaction - emotionally and intellectually - can come from four years dedicated to learning. (I mean this quite honestly. I realize that I am one of about two or three people in the world who actually enjoys law school. I would never, in my life, say this to someone who was miserable in law school, as that experience is part and parcel of the territory.) Your undergraduate years are not like that and should not be like that. Figure out what is missing in yourself that leaves you so miserable. You are at an undergraduate institution that offers enough, at least, to be content; even those who do not love Tufts as LolaBelle, Snuffles, and I do, at least found their four years to be worthwhile.</p>

<p>If you are going to transfer, fine - but you still have another seven months at Tufts. If you justify your living breath during those seven months solely by ****ing over people who find their lives - and Tufts as an integral part of their lives - to be a joyous experience, then it is you who has the problem. Your sarcasm does not undermine the four years I spent at Tufts, as it is impossible to turn time backwards; your taunts will not succeed where years of special relativity research have failed. Your arrogance and you superiourity stunts do not change the experiences that we had; they only reflect on the type of person that you are. If you choose to spend your time at a place that makes you miserable; if you choose to not make it at least a tolerable experience; and if you choose to feign superiourity by reason of misery, then you are wasting the effort that it takes to keep yourself alive. </p>

<p>That is not the problem of any poster here. There are better ways to spend your life - try actually living.</p>

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LOL!!! I mean, you couldn't script a better commercial.

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I could. Want help? How about the fact that someone as arrogant, miserable, and condescending as yourself finds Tufts to be a horrible place, while generations of passionate, lively, and intellectual students find it to be a wonderful experience? </p>

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<h2>I'm quite conservative and must say that the liberal atmosphere was one of the things that turned me off about Tufts - but, as I said, I am really quite conservative. At least "in my day," the Primary Source was a good, thoughtful magazine. They knew that they were in the minority and under heavy scrutiny and saw that as a mandate to put out an excellent publication.</h2>

<p>Back on track...</p>

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<li> The old alumni who go to Tufts events. I met a gentleman who graduated during WWII at yesterday's happy hour. Sixty years later, he still loves the school.</li>
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<p>"How about the fact that someone as arrogant, miserable, and condescending as yourself finds Tufts to be a horrible place, while generations of passionate, lively, and intellectual students find it to be a wonderful experience?"</p>

<p>LOL, Oh come on. You're telling me you didn't laugh at the "Only at Tufts" ad?</p>

<p>But seriously, you REALLY, REALLY need to at least TRY to look at my posts objectively.</p>

<p>All I've ever said about Tufts is that I'm dissapointed. Not that I hate it, not that the education here isn't valuable, not that Tufts students are a horrible group of individuals...nothing of the sort. All I've ever stated is that (1) after two years I consider dropping $75,000 on my education a mistake and (2) that I'm dissapointed with what I believe to be a polarized social environment.</p>

<p>Honestly, are you all that terrified that my posts are going to have such a dramatic impact on Tufts' prestige that you'll stoop so low as to paint me as some pathetic, dense, social misfit? Ya'll seem to think I'm something less than human even for having doubts about my time spent here and a few jokes I've made in this thread alone. It's disgusting.</p>

<p>I mean, God forbid an opinion should surface that is contrary to the established order of things around here. God forbid. I'll let you and the rest of the brownshirts get back to business, lol. Really, sorry I brought it up.</p>

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All I've ever said about Tufts is that I'm dissapointed.

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That is simply not true. </p>

<p>You've said that Tufts is a medicore school; you said that it's undeserving of prestige; you've taunted anyone who actually enjoys it and feels that it is a prestigous, respectable school. "Disappointed" doesn't quite cover your venom.</p>

<p>Where have I said Tufts is mediocre? Where?</p>

<p>1) I said it isn't prestigous. There's a difference. And by the way I only even bothered to bring up prestige at all once it became perfectly clear to me that I was engaging in a discourse with folks who cared of nothing more than prestige. Let's face it there are some prestige hounds on this board and to suggest that Tufts is not prestigous on this board seems the equivalent of using the "n" word in Harlem.</p>

<p>Besides, the amount of times I've openly stated in huge letters "Tufts is a great school" should've left no doubt what exactly my message has been all along.</p>

<p>Realistically I think if the word prestigous is to have any meaning at all it can only be applied to maybe 15, 20, 25 schools tops.</p>

<p>2) Taunt? Twice I've made a joke (perhaps once inappropriately even though I do believe the campus to be polarized). If that qualifies as taunting than call me Andrew Dice Clay for all I care.</p>

<p>3) It's extremely disheartening when you all try and cast me in a negative light even though I have never, not once, presumed to know anything about anyone of you. I'm just wondering why it's so terrible that I have a different opinion. Don't you think it's at least possible for a decent, outgoing and intelligent person to not like Tufts? Has that possibility even once entered anyones thinking here?</p>

<p>All I want to do is inform folks with financial concerns that Tufts might not be the best option while the concensus from everyone else seems to be "come here regardless." What purpose could that possibly serve? Do you honestly think Tufts' precious prestige could be harmed in anyway by potential middle class applicants reconsidering their applications?</p>

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"I actually like the primary source"</p>

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I know you guys are going to find some way to debunk this list but the numbers speak for themselves.

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So nothing we say that points out that the survey leaves something to be desired, it isn't academic, it's our knee-jerk reaction against anything that doesn't speak well of Tufts.

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The point is providing people looking at Tufts with the reality that the Tufts name isn't going to get them anything later on down the road

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But you get all cranky when someone tries to say that her personal experience has been different.

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Your son doesn't attend an elite school...Deal with it

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But if you have to go and make the proposterous assertion that Tufts students are on average the intellectual equivalent of Harvard students to try and make your case for Tufts being a great school than one has to wonder what exactly Tufts might be lacking that would lead you all to imerse yourselves in such lies.

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So we are nutjobs when someone tries to point out that Tufts focuses on its undergraduates and prides itself on providing an excellent undergraduate education?

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You guys really need to grow up

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But you never engage in personal insults.

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Seriously though, Tufts isn't even in the top 40 in terms of placement in the elite graduate schools according to the Wall Street Journal. It's actually at #45 and the rankings are based on the number, not percentage of students attending the top 15 grad schools in medicine, law and business. If it were based on percentage Tufts likely wouldn't even be in the top 100. Schools 3, 4 and 5 times smaller than Tufts (Bowdoin, Bates, for example) have more of their graduates entering the top programs.

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Except that the methodology at least accounts for the total number of graduating students. Sorry!

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And it's not in the ranks even of Bowdoin or that type of school. Sorry.

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But you're not Tufts-bashing....

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I also like the way everyone ad hominems Smart Guy's legitimate concerns based only on the fact that he's (1) in high school and (2) has a user name you don't like. Real mature guys. Wow, what an adult way to resond back to someones post!!! Yay Tufts, ROTF!!!.

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But you're not bashing us. I tried to point out that my actual experience as an alumna was quite different from what he thought that it should have been, and, ergo, he might not know what he is talking about. But heaven forbid we defend our school against some kid who has never even set foot on the campus. You conveniently ignore every rational post that it used to say that someone may be incorrect in his assessments and ignore the fact that the individual in question was clearly not making his own intellectual arguments. (His main complaints stemmed from unnamed former students.) But we are the ones with a problem.</p>

<p>If you cannot see that the pattern of your posts shows a definite anti-Tufts trend, please re-read everything. I do not see much balance in your posts; I see even less intellectual discussion. You range from stating that Tufts is not worth $40,000 on account of not producing enough students who go to one of fifteen schools after graduation to pursue one of three degrees, to stating that the study isn't meant to guage the quality of a school. You can't have it both ways.</p>

<p>Oh, yeah, and you called me malicious. :)</p>

<p>"If you cannot see that the pattern of your posts shows a definite anti-Tufts trend, please re-read everything"</p>

<p>It unequivocally shows an anti-Tufts trend. What are you kidding me?</p>

<p>I know you'll say I'm trying to backtrack, but the bad person comment was a joke. You like jokes? Absolute and outlandish statements like that can have great sardonic value in comedy. Try and imagine someone walking out of a movie that's sort of bad and saying "Worst movie in the history of civilization"...it's over the top, but it does possess some comedic value. Bah, I'm not going to explain it any further.</p>

<p>"But you get all cranky when someone tries to say that her personal experience has been different"</p>

<p>WRONG! If I was cranky I would've just told everyone whose experience has been 100% that they were full of ****. I even stated that I believe lollabelle and the rest when they say they've had a great time here, how could I ever possibly prove otherwise? "Oh no you haven't had a great time here"...LOL, be serious.</p>

<p>I do question whether their experiences are the norm based on what I've observed and what friends and others have told me. Seriously, I'm not bitter so why would I lie when I say I've met more than a few people who feel the same way about the social divisions at Tufts? </p>

<p>I don't make assumptions about what type of people you are because you like it here, what gives you'll the right to make assumption about me because I don't? </p>

<p>That's right, you guys have been behaving like jerks. Get over it.</p>

<p>"But you never engage in personal insults"</p>

<p>I can't imagine the life one would have had to live to conclude that suggesting that someone 'grow up' is a personal insult but regardless, yes, if you think Tufts is as good as Harvard than you not only need to grow up, you need to totally reexamine your conception on reality.</p>

<p>"But you're not Tufts-bashing"</p>

<p>No that is not bashing. Tufts is not in the ranks of Bowdoin or Georgetown. It just isn't, argue all you want but no sane, unbiased individual is going to tell you that Tufts is better than those two schools.</p>

<p>"You range from stating that Tufts is not worth $40,000 on account of not producing enough students who go to one of fifteen schools after graduation to pursue one of three degrees, to stating that the study isn't meant to guage the quality of a school"</p>

<p>The study should be used as a supplement. Nowhere did I ever say that one should look at this study alone and conclude that Tufts is not worth that type of money. It could be that, but it's many other things.</p>

<p>You need to learn to distinguish the difference between a suggestion and just pure insults. I'm sorry but bashing someones posts because he's a teenager = not adult.</p>

<p>But since it appears we both have way, way, WAY too much time on our hands I'm going to try to just walk away from this particular thread now.</p>

<p>Tufts is, objectively, a better school than Bowdoin. My parents would not let me even look at (let alone apply to) Bowdoin - straight-up, they just said that it wasn't a good enough school. I was 17 and asked to look at it - they said "no way in hell." </p>

<p>Not that it's a bad school, but it's not Georgetown or Tufts, which are more similar than different. The only thing G-town, Duke, and Northwestern have going for them that Tufts doesn't have is DI sports, which make a fantastic difference in the rankings but are negatively correlated with actual educational benefit.</p>

<p>Playing your game... PROVE that Bowdoin is unquestionably better than Tufts. :) </p>

<p>My problem with "SmartGuy's" posts was not that he was a teenager; it was that, as a teenager who had never set foot on the Tufts campus, he presumed to know more about it than other people who had actually, you know, gone to school there. I do not insult people based on their ages; however, his age was a relevant credential (or lack thereof) in the discussion. I don't insult people based on their gender, either, but if some guy presumed to be the know-it-all about child birth, then his gender would - quite rightlyr. - be a very valid criticism. There is no rule - legal or otherwise -that dictates that we must be so careful to avoid insulting anyone based on age, sex, religion, handicap, weight, or what-have-you that we avoid pointing out the obvious: that said person's characteristics make them less knowledgeable about the subject at hand. If I were to start telling a bunch of testicular cancer survivors that I knew more about the disease than they did, I really hope that they would btch slap me, say that, as a chick, I have no clue, and tell me to go get my nails done. I would not see that as undermining my equally valid viewpoint or saying that their only argument against me is that I'm a girl, so they are pathetic. Sixteen year olds don't know a thing about college. They certainly don't know something about more than one of them. Pointing out that his credentials leave something to be desired does not make us unable to respond intellectually. Teenagers do not have equally valid viewpoints as adults on things they have never experienced. They haven't gone to war, gone to college, held a real job, driven cars (in some states), signed leases, gotten promotions, gotten married, had kids, been engaged, bought a house, paid their car insurance, had friends die, traveled by themselves, had a legal drink, or done much of anything aside from going to high school and doing marching band. There is NOTHING wrong with pointing out that they are uniquely unqualified to make certain judgments, and that their opinions are significantly less informed than the opinions of people with more experience. Hello!</p>

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I'm sorry but bashing someones posts because he's a teenager = not adult.

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Let's play your game, dahlin. Where did I bash his posts solely on account of him being a teenager? Would it be on account of him never having attended Tufts? Would it be on account of him never having attended college? Would those posts have been so utterly ridiculous and uninformed that it needed to be pointed out that he lacks any basic understanding of my alma mater? Face it - TEENAGERS AND ADULTS ARE DIFFERENT. TEENAGERS ARE OFTEN LESS INFORMED THAN ADULTS. I'm under no obligation to pretend that every lilly-livered 15-year-old who comes along has an equal understanding of the benefits and drawbacks of attending my alma mater as I do, having actually graduated from high school, gone there, and spent several years as an active alumna. </p>

<p>This isn't rocket science. In case you think I'm contradicting myself, I'm not... just pointing out that 1) there was no bashing going on; 2) pointing out that he is a teenager is, in this context, an extremely valid criticism. You are always allowed to point out that someone lacks the credentials to make an argument, when the argument largely depends on certain experiences. </p>

<p>You do backtrack; you're not trying to say that I haven't had a great time, but you do doubt the benefit of being an alumnus/a and of the Tufts name. I'm pointing out that, in my experience, it has been extremely beneficial to have the Tufts degree. You seem to doubt this, but give us NO reasons as to why. All you say is that "Tufts clearly isn't elite." Well, to me, that isn't so clear. In fact, when people say, "Wow, you got a great education," "Tufts is an amazing school;" or "You must be really smart if you were a Tufts engineer," then I tend to think that many people have a very high opinion of the school. </p>

<p>I'm really sorry for you - you do have the hate going on for your school. You don't, sadly, see how far it's going to get you. Life isn't Harvard, Yale, and everyone else. Again, Harvard grads don't walk around with their own personal sunshine; they don't have legions of adoring fans who are prepared to move heaven and earth from them; they don't mention where they went to school and have everyone swoon onto Italian silk sofas. They are still human! You don't like Tufts because you expect $160,000 to come with a fairy godmother, too. Guess what? MIT won't give you that, either.</p>

<p>You guys have killed the point of this thread. Let's continue...</p>

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<li>The fact that Tufts will never have Homecoming and Parent's Weekend on the same weekend again. Such a good idea on so many different levels.</li>
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<li><p>Brown and blue - could be so ugly, but it's a fashion statement these days. :)</p></li>
<li><p>Lovely spring days, doing homework on the library roof.</p></li>
<li><p>It should be said again - but a fantastic mascot. Elephant earrings! Ties! Home decor! :)</p></li>
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<p>haha now we know Ariesathena is that crazy alum with a house full of elephants and elephant holiday sweaters... ;-)</p>

<p>ELEPHANT HOLIDAY SWEATERS??? Where? Omigod, are there little elephants with Santa Claus hats? Santa riding an elephant to deliver his presents? </p>

<p>Actually, I bought elephant earrings a few weeks ago. I saw them and they called my name. :) Could be worse - I know someone whose house is decorated almost entirely in Tufts pictures. I walked around and thought, "Oh, that's not Tufts," only to look closely and see that it was Tufts in 1905. Another picture was certainly NOT Tufts - you know, some ancient monestary - but I was informed that it was the Tufts campus in France. :p</p>

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<li>The 160 Meal Plan</li>
<li>The Unlimited Meal Plan</li>
<li>Carmichael Waffles</li>
<li>The 3 hidden computer labs that nobody knows about: Fares Center, Tisch near tower cafe, and Anderson (well I guess engineers know about that one!) :-)</li>
<li>The elevator in Dowling</li>
<li>"Fear the Elephant" T-shirts</li>
<li>leaving pennies on Jumbo's trunk</li>
<li>Ice tea in the Mugar Cafe</li>
<li>Ginn Library, where you can study while absorbing the super-smart grad student brain waves</li>
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<p>I loved working in Anderson and the Sci-Tech center. We also got free printing fro the longest time. :)</p>

<p>yeah i just discovered the Mugar Cafe today. I'm totally studying there from now on, it has the same atmosphere as my favorite Barnes and Noble.</p>

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<li>The Academic Quad RIGHT NOW. It's so goddamn gorgeous. And i'm not usually a proponent of the "Tufts is soooo beautiful!" mentality. The lanterns! The colors! lol.</li>
<li>I love that I get excited about registration. LOL.</li>
<li>Groups exist to get a dialogue going about current issues, sometimes between students of traditionally conflicting backgrounds, i.e. Armenian and Turkish. (woohoo, NIMEP represent! lol Ben.)</li>
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<p>"113. The 3 hidden computer labs that nobody knows about: Fares Center, Tisch near tower cafe, and Anderson (well I guess engineers know about that one!) :-)"</p>

<p>How is the one in Tisch hidden? It's the first thing you see when you walk in the door.</p>

<p>Here's more secret ones though:</p>

<p>--Downstairs/Basement in Braker. If you use that one everyone automatically assumes you're a grad student. This one might be a bit difficult to find.</p>

<p>--Not sure if this one is still there but the AV room in the Classics department used to have computers in it. It's the room right next to what used to be Setniks office I believe. I wouldn't want to get caught using it though. I used it a few times last year when I needed to work on a paper but I woke up too early to work in Eaton. </p>

<p>I'm sneaky like that...</p>

<p>I'm not talking about the computers in the reference section. I'm talking about the computer lab in the hallway outside of the Tower Cafe, behind the statues. It's across the hall from the all-night study room.</p>

<p>I like the GIS lab in Tisch. Free color-printing!</p>

<p>Is the Mugar Cafe over @ Cabot?</p>