Why is college so liberal? (from a Republican)

<p>I really don't have much bad to say about college but I am fed up with the fact that every professor, administrator, and over half the studesnts at almost every college are liberals.</p>

<p>Why is this? How come nobody cares about student achievement anymore and just wants people to be tree-hugging hippies who live in harmony with each other?</p>

<p>And am I the only person in college who supports No Child Left Behind 100%?</p>

<p>It's just frustrating. College Republicans supposedly exists but I've never heard about it on my campus (I know they were going to try to start it up, maybe lack of interest? I go to a smaller school) I came from a very conservative HS and now in my second year of college it's awful to hear everyone bash Bush and the GOP daily.</p>

<p>Does anyone have an explanation as to why colleges are so liberal?</p>

<p>Because mostly smart people are at college.</p>

<p>BURN!</p>

<p>Lol what GoldShadow said is actually true. Statistically, the higher education somebody has, the more liberal they are.</p>

<p>See Evangelical Christians (conservative) versus College Professors (liberal)</p>

<p>There are republicans on campus, but they will be almost exclusively libertarian</p>

<p>Poster #2 is an idiot, and probably one of the reasons you feel so stifled as a conservative. I wonder what he/she's doing in college? I'm a conservative myself, even though I'm an atheist, pro-choice and pro-gay marriage. However, I firmly believe in small government, American primacy, and capitalism. And I don't care what other people's political viewpoints are; the funny thing is, the Left makes a big deal of free speech, but then quickly shuts down when it hears voices from the right.</p>

<p>There's a funny quote from an anonymous source that I really like. "Liberals tend to be the poor and the enlightened. Conservatives are the rich and the pragmatic." I like this quote because it portrays both sides in an equal light without having a negative connotation on either. When talking about college professors and students, though, the important contrast here is between "enlightened" and "pragmatic." Think about it: what exactly do college professors do? They teach, do research, and write books. Essentially, they live very comfortably in an ivory tower debating their issues of expertise with other academics in similar positions. Nothing they say or argue will probably ever be implemented into any kind of policy. They are the "enlightened," but also the totally disconnected and theoretically. The real world runs of pragmatism, which is why these people are often considered brilliant and then asked to wait outside while the adults make the decisions.</p>

<p>And let's talk about college students. I go to an Ivy leage school where roughly 80% of the student body self-describes as "liberal" or "left of center." What does almost everyone from my school do post-graduation? They go on to big-name law firms, medical schools, or to jobs on Wall Street that will eventually land them in business schools that people like Morgan Stanley, Rockafeller, Geoffry Immlet, and you know, The Man, came out of. </p>

<p>Which brings me to my point. Liberalism espouses ideas that everyone wants to believe in. They're fun. Everyone wishes leftist ideas were true; admit it, you probably do too. I spent the majority of my life being an extreme liberal because it's so easy. No one wants to admit that the world's problems need careful consideration and need to be fixed over a very long period of time through the correct channels. On the other hand, gee, revolution sure sounds awesome. It's very easy when you believe in easy, quick solutions to problems and are able to put a face on the cause of things like poverty, injustice, disease, war, etc. It would be really really great if there was a centralized foe that we as policymakers and activists could fight against. It's much harder to envision a world in which problems are complex and interconnected, and need to be dealt with painstakingly and individually. </p>

<p>As college students, it's our job to be aware of the fact that we're the next generation of leaders, movers and shakers of the world. There are two ways to approach this idea. We can approach it realistically and with the knowledge that our role will be mostly one of preserving the existing order and standing of the shoulders of thousands of years of humanity, while at the same time making steady progress. But who wants to approch it that way? To believe that we're nothing more than the vanguard of civilization and that our additions will be anything less than drastic? Never! However, believing that we can sweep the globe and change the way very fundamental truths operate by recycling stupid ideas of stupid people who died hundreds of years ago - that really sounds appealing.</p>

<p>Think about it. Where was the last time a brilliant professor of a leftist theory was asked to be a part of any kind of policymaking body? Alexander Wendt, the absolutely genius father of constructivism, comes to mind. The man is literally a living legend - but he will never, ever be asked for advice on foreign policy issues. So why do I hold him in such high esteem? For the same reason I hold Marx in such high esteem: he's a critical centerpiece of Western culture. The beauty of Western culture is that it's very capitalistic in nature. By capitalistic I mean that it places a very high premium on the anarchy of intellectual evolution and individual enterprise. Marx's criticism of capitalism made the system stronger, and reaffirmed the need for "free markets, free minds, and peace." Wendt's critique of the system of international relations will probably end in policymakers being able to identify the flaws in the current ways of thinking and make their rationale behind things like war and defense more coherent.</p>

<p>So perhaps that's why we have leftist professors. We're going to spend the rest of our lives discovering the truth (err, if we want to make any money, that is), so perhaps the marketplace of ideas theory dictates that we should be exposed to something different for a little bit before the real world takes over.</p>

<p>Libertarianism. ;) Read about it.</p>

<p>At my school the faculty is pretty liberal but the student body is pretty damn conservative.</p>

<p>Nothing half-baked about that at all. Pretty cogent in fact.</p>

<p>I'll throw in two more bits: an aphorism and a theory.</p>

<p>Aphorism: If you are young and a Republican you have no heart, if you are old and a Democrat you have no brain. The American left is the traditional home of passionate youth who don't have to temper idealism with reality.</p>

<p>Theory: American campuses did not used to be so thoroughly leftist. When the Vietnam era lefties burrowed into college and graduate programs to escape the war and the nasty realities of the changes blowing through the country in the post-war era, they stayed. They preferred the tenured, structured somewhat-artificial life of the academy to the results-matter world of business. (Results matter in academia, too, but it's different.) Once rooted in academia, they hunkered down until all the depression/WWII generation (that understood sacrifice and how fragile democracy is) retired and then took over -- institutionally the bizarre fractious nature of the Vietnam-era leftie. That's my theory anyway, which I have gleefully stolen from someone else. I would credit them, but I forget where I read it.</p>

<p>Nozic says that academia is liberal because they're bitter about people who are "less intelligent" making more money and getting more fame than they do. People with more degrees might be more liberal because they've spent more time around professors.</p>

<p>As for libertarianism, it's such a great idea until you realize that morality isn't completely subjective.</p>

<p>I'm not a libertarian. Just because I didn't praise Jesus in my post doesn't mean that I'm not a conservative. I have lots of liberal friends who write me off as a libertarian because they refuse to accept the idea of an intelligent conservative in their midst.</p>

<p>I have very strong ethical beliefs, which, contrary to the pop culture definition of "ethical" doesn't mean pro-choice. I also do have things that I believe are fundamental truths and not subject to moral relativism, such as a believe in individual rights. </p>

<p>And where in libertarian text is there support for things such as American power projection and the perpetuation and spread of Western culture?</p>

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Poster #2 is an idiot, and probably one of the reasons you feel so stifled as a conservative. I wonder what he/she's doing in college?

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Poster #2 was joking in a semi-serious way, though besides that Poster #2 is a religious liberal who dislikes Bush and NCLB but does not necessarily support gay marriage and is semi-pro-choice (pro-choice with restrictions), and is majoring in molecular and cell biology.</p>

<p>Seriously, the republicans really aren't doing anything good at the time. I'm not totally anti-republican, but no child left behind honestly doesn't help people. Nor do Bush's other half brained ideas that he comes up with without consulting the people that really matter: teachers. Why reward teachers whose classes score higher on standardized tests? That is their job anyway, and they shouldn't be given a bonus for doing their job. Instead, teacher salaries and funding for education should be increased. Additionally, why punish schools that don't meet the ridiculously stringent standards?</p>

<p>But enough about that, I don't want to get into a political argument. That was kind of off topic anyway.</p>

<p>Too much free time.</p>

<p>When I was in college, a lot of my professors seemed either extremely liberal or extremely conservative, but it was usually because they were playing devil's advocate or trying to get us students to figure out what we thought about various issues, and how to articulate the arguments that lead us to our viewpoints.</p>

<p>Quite frankly, today's Republican party is not even a little conservative. Massive deficit spending, getting rid of the checks and balances on the executive branch - those are fringe, radical positions. They give some good talk about morality, but their morality begins and ends with gay marriage and abortion - despite the way they flout the Judeo-Christian heritage of their beliefs, they have no truck with the immorality that lets people live in poverty, or without health care, or even without enough food to eat. </p>

<p>If the Republicans would abandon their lunatic right-wing fringe and find some more Republicans like Eisenhower, Republicans who understood that a rising tide lifts all boats, I would certainly consider voting for a Republican again.</p>

<p>Do Democrats not care about student achievement? Do Republicans not want people to live in harmony? </p>

<p>I think you would benefit from doing some more research and opening your mind up to more than a strict right vs. left mentality.</p>

<p>There's also a difference between being conservative and being a Republican, and between being liberal and being a Democrat. You can be liberal on social issues but financially conservative and vice versa.</p>

<p>You just have to seek out those people who share your republican interests. College Dems are much more present, but at my school the College Republicans are still vocal. If they don't exist, start your own club. :)</p>

<p><a href="http://www.politicalcompass.org%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.politicalcompass.org&lt;/a> is a cool site that differentiates between social issues and economic issues. people tend to not have a large discrepancy between the two but it is possible.</p>

<p>half-baked i like your username :D</p>

<p>i was a memeber of the college democrats in campus and we had a lot of people in our group. the colege republicans only had maybe five. it seemed to me that the democrats are more willing to stand up for what they believe in, whereas the republicans are more go with the flow. the democrats would be on campus handing out flyers, pins, balloons, whatever people asked us for.. whereas the republicans were nowhere to be found... but at the same time i know there were other republicans. my one roommate was a republican and she never once went to a college republicans meeting and she would throw hissy fits when we came home with our democrat stuff :)</p>

<p>my boyfriend is a republican, and we argue about things constantly.. in particular now since he's in law school. i'll never get him to be a democrat, but he'll never get me to be a republican.</p>

<p>also, another thing that i found.. if i asked a democrat why they were a democrat, for the most part, they always had a reason for me. i don't care if it was health care or child care or whatever other reason they gave me.. but, for the most part, when i asked a republican i didn't get an answer. My roommate was a republican because she was raised a republican... in my mind, that's a really stupid reason to be a republican.. you should form your own viewpoints, not your parents... and sadly that is a lot of the responses i got when asking republicans on campus. at least my boyfriend can list this this and that as to why he's a republican and i'm completely fine with that.</p>

<p>Because the students have never worked for a living and the the professors don't live in the real world. The Ivory Tower is a very contrived existance.</p>

<p>"As for libertarianism, it's such a great idea until you realize that morality isn't completely subjective."</p>

<p>Laws have nothing to do with morality you moron</p>

<p>Laws, in some cases, can be the reflection of the values of of a society. But thanks for chanting what sounds like a pre-canned slogan.</p>

<p>And what's this about Republicans not knowing why they vote one way? I'm an independant conservative, but this is exactly why college liberals tend to be really stupid. Why do you vote democratic? Most democratic agenda items sound great and are really emotionally appealing if you're of the liberal bent, but make very little actual sense from a social science perspective. It's true that a large part of the republican party base is the fanatical religious right, and so oftentimes conservative politicians, who tend to be very intelligent, have to pander to that lowest common denominator. But then again, oftentimes liberal politicians pander to a similar constituency in their own base - the poor and the stupid.</p>