Why is EECS/CS so popular, so replete with incompetent students (rhetorical question)

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of California - Berkeley
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<p>I mean seriously. Anyone with a pair of eyeballs would notice the rising tide of people wanting to do EECS/CS. The class sizes for lower-div CS/EECS are getting larger. About a 100 people had to be dropped from 61b because there was no room. L&S CS will be capped next Spring. </p>

<p>At this rate, any profit to be made from CS will be the same as Interdisciplinary Majors (no offense). </p>

<p>A lot of people, particularly cocky Caucasian guys (this is an observation), want to do CS for the money. They read these forums, and then flood the forums with threads about CS, and then listen to the encouraging words of influential users like ucbalumnus and _Thomas, which are reasonable and fact-driven. However, these money lovers fail to grasp one key aspect of CS/EECS majors: no one does it for the money. We do it because we love it. </p>

<p>Plus, there's not that much money to be had in the CS industry. If you want money, you should do business or econ, where you get to make 100k+ after a few years of work experience. I know a friend who graduate from Berkeley econ, does investment banking, and makes $1,000,000+ a year after several years of work experience. Money is business, business is money. CS, not so much.</p>

<p>Now, I'm not saying I hate the flood of money lovers in CS completely. It actually makes it easier to perform above the curve. With what, a 10% increase in incompetent students, I get that much of a boost above the curve. The more unpassionate people there are, the better the passionate people for CS will do above the curve. Having a hard time getting into CS lower-divs sucks, but this makes up for it. </p>

<p>But that's not the real benefit of the money lovers's population explosion in CS. The real reason is that, with money lovers, come the money lovers' lovers... Or something like that.</p>

<p>You see, most of these money lover guys are high maintenance. And with high maintenance guys, come high maintenance girls. I swear, I was coding in Soda Hall a few weeks ago, and this beautiful white girl, who could pass off Megan Fox if you were colorblind, walks past me. At first, I could not believe the sight of my eyes (pretty girls are a rare treasure in Soda Hall); she was everyman's dream girl, Aphrodite in her human form. I could not bring myself to think that she somehow had something to do with computers and coding.</p>

<p>But she did. And when she announced that her major was intended L&S and CS, and leaped into the air with joy and gave her a welcoming hug.</p>

<p>A few days later, I saw more beautiful girls in Soda Hall, and such an increase in eyecandy is expected to continue. Call it the money lovers' lovers effect... Or something like that.</p>

<p>Anyways, to sum it up, I just wanted to tell all us CS/EECS majors that we should embrace change like this, and not detest it.</p>

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<p>Who told you that CS will be capped next spring? People told me it will be capped Fall 2013.
Did you talk to the adviser?</p>

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<p>What you are mentioning is quite remarkable since 5 years ago EECS was only for the faint of heart who were willing to spend 4-5 years of hell all day and night in the dregs of Soda Hall (unless the CS minor has REALLY opened up).</p>

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<p>Uh, as an EECS major, I haven’t noticed the money trend at all… everyone in my classes seems to love CS, even the ones who struggle with it sometimes.</p>

<p>Also, I’m a girl in EECS. Some of us actually like Comp Sci, believe it or not.</p>

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<p>Um, what exactly is the point of this post?</p>

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<p>I like this post.</p>

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<p>Funny post, but don’t be bitter because another CS major how has your dream girl. </p>

<p>Berkeley has been undergoing de-asianification since 2004. A negative aspect is that there aren’t as many workaholic friendly asians as before. A positive aspect is that there are now white party boys and girls in EECS.</p>

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<p>^That seems to be positive only if you prefer white girls.</p>

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<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-berkeley/1496936-when-cs-being-capped.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-berkeley/1496936-when-cs-being-capped.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>fl1p1npr1d3 is closely affiliated with the L&S CS major adviser, Christopher Hunn; and as you can see, Hunn clearly told him that L&S CS will most likely be capped in Spring 2014.</p>

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<p>I am in no way “closely affiliated” with Christopher Hunn. I am merely restating the things he told me when I asked him this question.</p>

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<p>fl1p1npr1d3// When did you go ask the advisor? Because my friend asked and he told him 2013 Fall most likely. Wth?? Did he say something about grandfather clause too?</p>

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<p>Goddamnit Robert or whatever the R stands for. Why do you keep asking such stupid questions and waste everyone’s time? The time it took you to type the same question 47184946861874 times, you can just get up of your @$$ and go to 377 Soda and ask Chris in person. Or even simpler, shoot him an email at cthunn@cs</p>

<p>I hate to be a complete @$$hole here, but if you are worrying that much about making the CS major, perhaps it’s time to get the textbook out and study in advance for the rest of the prereqs. Or do something useful with your life. You can’t worry about something that will be determined by the higher people. The only thing that you can do now is acing the rest of the prereqs to get into the major, no matter when the cap will be implemented, or taking some summer courses and declare in advance. Besides, if you get into the major by the skin of your teeth, what makes you think you will be able to get out of this school when all of the CS upper divs, except 188, are ten times harder and more time consuming than the cheesy 61 series?</p>

<p>/endrant</p>

<p>I don’t mean to start a flame or anything. I’m saying what I feel everytime I see someone posting useless question on a forum full of fellow students and alumni. Both groups don’t know anything about the cap, so go ask the major advisor or shoot him an email, damn it.</p>

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<p>These "compliments’ or comments seem a little back-handed and very slightly racist/offensive. I mean you don’t have to be “white” to fit into these categories. I know plenty of Asian guys and girls (this includes Indian/Middle-eastern or w/e I’m so tired of race definitions because they never fully make sense to me) who fall into your categories.</p>

<p>Also just because a girl is pretty and social doesn’t mean we should treat her any differently from any other CS student. Her looks shouldn’t really affect her overall interest and intelligence in the subject. I"m not saying you are doing that but having that kind of mentality in one’s head could perhaps lead you to treat them differently from other boys and girls which could perhaps give them a negative view on CS. </p>

<p>I mean I"m sure I do this categorizing of human beings all the time so I"m a hypocrite for saying all this but I think maybe as humans if we are aware of the way we automatically section out and analyze people as groups (which I think could have negative effects but I’m not 100% sure) like this instead of as individuals, we can then try to train our minds to not do that and I think by doing this mind-training we’ll treat people with different physical, sexual, and cultural backgrounds coming into CS more equally which may lead to a better more warm experience for everyone which will help with the supposed “shortage of women and minorities” in CS problem.</p>

<p>Oh god I’m an EECS major with a minor in math and I just gave a really poorly written humanities spiel (see even I just did that categorizing thing there. as humans I feel our minds do it too easily it’s scary). I apologize lol.</p>

<p>PS: Also saying things like that may hurt the feelings of boys and girls who weren’t born with good looks which isn’t something they can change about themselves.</p>

<p>PPS: Also I am not criticizing the OP or anyone. I basically agree with the overall gist of what he’s saying.</p>

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<p>^ racism against white people? LOL. no such thing.</p>

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<p>rchang, I asked him a week before finals this semester.</p>

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<p>"^ racism against white people? LOL. no such thing."</p>

<p>Incredibly naive.</p>

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<p>Goddamn, you sound like you have no social skills OP. Keep that stereotype alive, buddy.</p>

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<p>BBTaeyang = Lucyan = Health = FroshPosh</p>

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<p>^ That’s a pretty bold accusation, considering that I have no idea who the other three users are. Any evidence to support this, buddy? </p>

<p>By the way,</p>

<p>yellowbusRYDAH = AntonS = hopeful4college1</p>

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<p>■■■■■ on you bearrrrs</p>