<p>Yes, I do know that there is 2 years of pre pharm and 4 years of pharm, however, it is highly recomended that one has a bachleors degree before applying to pharmacy school. The chances of getting in without is extremly low.</p>
<p>Oh and one more thing, is it possible after graduating from pharm school to start working with a pharmacudical company directly afterwards?</p>
<p>There are those that say 2 years is better, others that say 4 years are better...</p>
<p>The point is that you can get in at ANY point after two years. Some schools probably do in fact prefer to have students who have had 4 years. Others may not. I personally tend to believe that the positive effects of the extra two years in undergrad put you at an advantage (maturity being a big change). </p>
<p>From my roommate who is in pharm school right now (he went four, but his ex gf and her roommates all got in after only 2), he tells me all sorts of stories from 4th years/recent grads about job offers from the pharmaceutical industry. So yes it is possible.</p>
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A different interpretation of the 6-year track in pharmacy.</p>
<p>3 years - undergraduate years
2 years - pharmacy school "lecture hall" years
1 year - practicum year</p>
<p>That's the breakdown of my 6 years as a pre-pharm student. I have 1 year down and 5 more years to go.
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<p>Look into Univ. of the sciences in Phila. Pharm-D 6 years total.Accepted as freshman. Average SAT 1100's. Not so hard.</p>
<p>I also had the feeling that getting into the 6year PhD is as competitive as i thought but how hard is it to get in if you do 2 yr undergrad, take PCAT and the apply? I was stupid enough to think it wasn't a big deal that I didn't apply for the 6 year program as now I am worried like **** about not getting into Pharmacy school or medical school and this screwing myself over =(.</p>
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tangents - Just let me reiterate, as I have done with all of my posts in the pharmacy threads, that my biases are from being a Pacific student, my affiliation with TJL School of Pharmacy, and as a pre-pharm major (Pacific considers its 2+3, 3+3 pre-pharms as majoring in Pre-Pharmacy, so I am speaking within that context).</p>
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I also had the feeling that getting into the 6year PhD is as competitive as i thought but how hard is it to get in if you do 2 yr undergrad, take PCAT and the apply? I was stupid enough to think it wasn't a big deal that I didn't apply for the 6 year program as now I am worried like **** about not getting into Pharmacy school or medical school and this screwing myself over =(.
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<p>You have not screwed yourself over, okay? Please don't think like that. I've told people this time and time again that there is not just one way to get to a destination. The pharmacist I work with took the "long way": she got experience first by becoming a pharmacy technician, thought long and hard about becoming a pharmacist, and then applied to the pharmacy school she graduated from a couple of years ago.</p>
<p>The only way you can "screw yourself" over is by not doing everything possible and anything you can to make your resume for the pharmacy school solid and stellar.</p>
<p>I'm not saying that the path you've chosen isn't difficult. Had I decided to go to UC San Diego as opposed to accepting my invitation to Pacific's pre-pharm program, I'd be rocking the same boat as you are. I'm really curious now as to what drove you against applying to a pre-pharm program as it really would have made your entrance to the university's pharmacy school *somewhat more probable<a href="I'm%20being%20very%20careful%20and%20delicate%20about%20saying%20probable;%20hence,%20that%20funky%20structure">/i</a>.</p>
<p>The truth is, what's done is done. You can only make the best out of your decision. And don't think for one second that us pre-pharms (Pacific pre-pharms or other schools' pre-pharms) are having a ball in our respective programs... we have our own limitations to recognize and expectations to meet.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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The point is that you can get in at ANY point after two years. Some schools probably do in fact prefer to have students who have had 4 years. Others may not. I personally tend to believe that the positive effects of the extra two years in undergrad put you at an advantage (maturity being a big change).
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<p>I think it's simply that the application process is competitive, and pharm schools with limited spaces are going to choose the best candidates which tend to be the ones with full bachelor's degrees. </p>
<p>For example, at UCSF Pharmacy School, 96% of the entering students had bachelor's degrees. </p>
<p>j.project thanks for the cheer up; as for why I didn't apply to the 6 year program, I was honestly not sure what I wanted to do in the future and it was until I worked in pharmacy ( family friend) that I found it really interesting. Also Pharmacy schools except most science bachlor's or mostly pharmacology majors? </p>
<p>Nonetheless do most 6 year PhD schools except kids after 2 years or is that only a few that do?</p>
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tangents - j.project thanks for the cheer up; as for why I didn't apply to the 6 year program, I was honestly not sure what I wanted to do in the future and it was until I worked in pharmacy (family friend) that I found it really interesting. Also Pharmacy schools except most science bachlor's or mostly pharmacology majors?</p>
<p>Nonetheless do most 6 year PhD schools except kids after 2 years or is that only a few that do?
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<p>Hey, just to clarify: PharmD is "Doctor of Pharmacy." PhD is "Doctor of (some random subject)." A person can possess a PharmD and a PhD in Political Science or a PhD in Math, etc. I'm just making the distinction because they're different titles. Because we're talking about pharmacy, I'll assume that you're referring to PharmD.</p>
<p>Whenever students or interested parties say 2 years, I assume they mean 2 years of undergraduate studies. To answer your question directly, I can't put pharmacy schools in a box. I can't say most of them will accept kids after 2 years because pharmacy schools have different policies: Pacific offers students a 5, 6, or 7-year program depending on how well their application looks and if the student qualifies for the 5-year program, then yes; in 2 years, that student can go to pharm school. The student meets all of his/her min. requirements and goes to TJL for 3 years. UCSF, being a graduate university, requires a degree, so that's 4 years. You'll have to look up the pharmacy schools that you're interested in to answer that question.</p>
<p>It may help to know that because the nation has a need for pharmacists (to be quite honest, I have reason to believe that a lot of the more experienced pharmacists, the ones who have been in the profession for 30+ years or so, would like to slow down but because there's not enough pharmacists, they can't), more schools are establishing pharmacy programs. University at Hawai'i at Hilo, for instance, recently established their own pharmacy program. I monitored its progress since my junior year in high school, but the board approval didn't happen in time when I started applying to my colleges. So you may want to look up these new up and coming pharmacy schools; they may be somewhat easier to get into.</p>
<p>At the same time, also be aware of the pharmacy school's affiliations. The more established pharmacy schools - Rutgers, USC, Pacific, and others that I can't quite remember - have better opportunities and connections nationwide. And you know, that's nice to have because when you're out of pharm school and you pass the boards, you'll be buried in debt that amounts to at least $250K and up. You'll want to start establishing your own roots during your pharm school lecture hall years and your practicum year right away. Established programs will help you best in doing so.</p>
<p>And again, because I go to Pacific, I can only inform you about TJL's policy regarding majors. I have to put it in bold letters, tangents, in case some person with selective reading "skills" points this out and says "You're wrong! At (insert random pharm school here), that's not their policy!" I don't want you to think I'm being rude. At TJL, your major does not matter. For instance, you majored in Economics at Gonzaga and you'd like to apply to TJL. You can apply, but you have to have taken all of TJL's required courses. This means that during your 4 years as an undergrad, you would have taken your Econ classes and, at the same time, you also would have taken General Chem, General Bio, O Chem, Public Speaking, Psychology, so on and so forth. I just remembered, too, that my roommate's cousin majored in Computer Engineering and finished her 3rd year at UCSF's Pharmacy program.</p>
<p>The reason why you see most pharmacy students major in the sciences is because it makes sense to do so: at pharmacy school, they'll be incorporating what they learned in their science classes in tangible, practical situations concerning the human body. And that's barely scratching beneath the surface. So now you know of at least two pharmacy schools - TJL and UCSF - that don't care what you major in as long as you take the classes they require you to take before applying.</p>
<p>I responded to 2 other threads here. If you have time, maybe you should read it. Yes, my replies are long as there are irritating misconceptions about pharmacy programs, specifically Pacific's, and I like correcting as many of them as I can.</p>
<p>Thread</a> #1
Thread</a> #2</p>
<p>Hope this helped somewhat.
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UCSF, being a graduate university, requires a degree, so that's 4 years.
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<p>No, that's not true. UCSF Pharmacy School does not REQUIRE a degree. As you can see from the link I provided, a small percentage (about 4%) of students get admitted who do not have a degree. In fact, graduate universities do not REQUIRE degrees in general. Some do, some don't. There is no general rule. For example, UCSF Medical School does not strictly require that an applicant have a degree either, although practically everybody who gets admitted has one. </p>
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Alright, sakky. Thanks for clearing that up.</p>
<p>As I've said before, fellow aspiring pharmacists, you'll have to do some research regarding your pharmacy schools. sakky covered UCSF; I'm with with TJL and because I am, I can provide accurate information regarding that establishment and that establishment only.</p>
<p>I'm emphasizing my biases here as a pre-pharmacy student at Pacific and it is my school's program that I know very well (not other schools' programs, as you can see), so if I provided wrong information regarding any institutions, then just post correct info.
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<p>For an example, my state school has a 6 year pharmacy program. They typically only take students from their own pre-pharm program, very few from other schools.<br>
There were about 250 pre-pharm students in my year who take the first 2 years of required courses, then apply to the remaining 4 years of pharmacy school. About 90 of them get in, the rest maybe take one more year of classes to improve their grades, or switch their majors.</p>
<p>So here for the smart and hard working, its a 6 year program, it may take some 7 -8 years depending on how many times they are rejected. Its a tough major.</p>
<p>"Look into Univ. of the sciences in Phila. Pharm-D 6 years total.Accepted as freshman. Average SAT 1100's. Not so hard."</p>
<p>Yeah, getting into the SCHOOL is easy, but getting in to the school is easy, but to get accepted to their pre pharm program directly from HS is tough.</p>
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ndcountrygirl - The rejections... :sigh: That's one story I can do without until I'm in my pharmacy school for sure. Grade improvements...</p>
<p>Years of therapy... I'm kidding about that part. I've said it before. It's one thing to get into the program and it's an entirely different thing to complete it successfully.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing.
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<p>Fusion, your post's english is so bad I can't decipher your intended meaning. It is however, easier to get accepted to pharmacy school(0-6 out of high school) then applying after undergrad. Many schools cater almost exclusively to 0-6, including the following: </p>
<p>Albany College of Pharmacy <a href="http://www.acp.edu%5B/url%5D">www.acp.edu</a>
Duquesne University <a href="http://www.pharmacy.duq.edu%5B/url%5D">www.pharmacy.duq.edu</a>
Massachusetts - Boston <a href="http://www.mcphs.edu%5B/url%5D">www.mcphs.edu</a>
Northeastern University <a href="http://www.bouve.neu.edu/pharmacy%5B/url%5D">www.bouve.neu.edu/pharmacy</a>
Ohio Northern University <a href="http://www.onu.edu/pharmacy%5B/url%5D">www.onu.edu/pharmacy</a>
Philadelphia <a href="http://www.usip.edu/academics/pharmacy.html%5B/url%5D">www.usip.edu/academics/pharmacy.html</a>
St. John's University <a href="http://www.stjohns.edu%5B/url%5D">www.stjohns.edu</a>
St. Louis College of Pharmacy <a href="http://www.stlcop.edu%5B/url%5D">www.stlcop.edu</a></p>
<p>It is worth noting that trying to apply to some of these schools, most notably Albany College of Pharmacy, after undergrad, is nearly impossible as most slots are reserved for those who were accepted into 0-6 program out of highschool.</p>
<p>I hope to attend a 0-6 Pharm.D program Fall 2007.</p>
<p>I also notice some people in this thread for whatever reason try to scare highschool students out of applying to the 0-6 programs saying that "getting in and staying in are two very different things." </p>
<p>Well heres statistics on how many graduate at 2 specialized pharmacy colleges which focus on 0-6 programs. </p>
<p>Albany College of Pharmacy: 75% graduate in 6 years ( good statistic considering how many people wind up having to stay an extra year to get all their work done, etc.)</p>
<p>Massachusetts College of Pharmacy: 77% (see above) </p>
<p>I think these are two very good statistics. Sure it means every 1 out of 4 students won't make it through, but at these 6 year programs there are slackers just like any other program. </p>
<p>If you compare this to undergrad institutions weed out rate for pre-med(denying them recommendations etc. so they cannot apply to med school) combined with med school admission rate(something like 50%, even with masses of qualified applicants) these 0-6 programs really are easy.</p>
<p>Most have pretty easy requirements too, for instance I will use Mass. College of Pharmacy's 0-6 requirements.</p>
<p>Beginning with the class of 2010 (freshman entering in fall 2004) students must have a 2.5 GPA to progress into the first professional year (third year) of the program and maintain a professional and cumulative GPA of 2.5 in years 3-6 of the PharmD program. In addition, the minimum passing grade for all required professional courses is C-.</p>
<p>Considering pre-pharm years 1,2 out of 6 will be spent doing almost same classes as the science side of pre-med, maintaing a 2.5 should be very easy versus getting the 3.5 most pre-meds hope to get to be competitive for med school.</p>
<p>Taking all of these things into account, a pharmacy 0-6 program is practically a cake walk versus the pre-med+medschool combo, or even the undergrad+pharm school combo. I have heard some pharm schools now have average undergrad gpas in 3.4-3.6 range. That's almost as competitive as medical school admissions! </p>
<p>So, I urge you, if your 100% sure you want to be a pharmacist, try to gain entry to a 0-6 program.</p>
<p>If you do not understand what I said in my last post, then you obviously have not learned much in english class.</p>
<p>What I am saying is that getting accepted into other programs into the school is easy. However, getting accepted straight into their pre pharmacy program from high school is not. Do you understand now?</p>
<p>And where are you even getting your statistics from? I highly doubt getting into the 0-6 year program is easy seeing how they do not require you to take PCAT, and gurantee you a seat in a competitive field.</p>
<p>Besides, tell me this. Do you know of anyone on this website who has been accetpted into a 0-6 year pre pharm program directly after high school?</p>
<p>"these 0-6 programs really are easy." </p>
<p>WOW, just wow.</p>
<p>*getting accepted into the school is easy</p>