<p>so does a w count as a repeat?</p>
<p>What about getting a minor in accounting to go with it?<br>
Would that be hard as ****? How would I do it?</p>
<p>“if you get a w, does that count as a repeat and mean you can’t take the course again and are out of the major, what if its two w or three w’s in the same course? and are econ majors relatively better job wise even with a so-so gpa?”</p>
<p>I don’t know about this one man. I think only a counselor would be able to tell you that. Go to the department of Econ building and talk to the undergrad counselor (this hot indian chick). It’s drop in counseling so you can walk in any day and literally just ask a question or two. This is one of the greatest resources you have.</p>
<p>And about the job wise one, I don’t know what you are comparing it to. Are you talking about Bus Econ vs Econ? If so it’s obvious that Bus Econ majors have an easier time with jobs due to their accounting classes (and they can pick up the accounting minor easily). If you are talking about Econ majors in general vs other majors:</p>
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<p>Refer to this chart.</p>
<p>About the GPA part, this is the rule for applying to jobs which you will learn in job resume/interview workshops:</p>
<p>If your GPA is above 3.0, include it in your resume. If your GPA is below 3.0, leave it off and only list the degree.</p>
<p>But remember a 3.1 + internship experience > 3.7 + no internship.
UCLA will provide you with a lot of chances to go meet with recruiters here to get those internships. We also have a highly ranked Anderson School of Management which will give you resources for the business world.</p>
<p>“What about getting a minor in accounting to go with it?
Would that be hard as ****? How would I do it?”</p>
<p>The accounting minor is hard as **** to get in, because it is easily the most popular minor (no suprise there). HOWEVER, this really only applies to straight Econ majors because the minor has so many pre reqs and upper div requirements that aren’t fulfilled by the Econ major.</p>
<p>BUT FOR BUS ECON MAJORS, the minor is very easy for them to pick up. There are so many overlapping classes for Bus Econ majors that they only need to do a few additional Accounting classes to turn in the application. Generally only people who have gotten into Bus Econ pick up the accounting minor.</p>
<p>There’s a whole series of workshops set up just for information about those looking to get the Accounting minor. I don’t know anything more about it, because I hate accounting haha.</p>
<p>“i’m a math/econ applicant so i’ll be taking it over summer if i get in.”
(in reference to Econ 11)</p>
<p>Oh and damn I forgot, McDevitt is teaching Econ 11 over summer. So you’re in for a treat. He loooooves math. Students who like conceptual (like me) usually hate him. I’ve never had him, but a lot of my friends have. I’ve heard his tests are hard, but he’s a very good/effective teacher.</p>
<p>Econ 11 is kinda where you first start doing real economics, so that’s when you really find out if you love econ or not. Econ 1 and 2 were so basic that it seems easy because it’s just common sense. Econ 11 is the first time you take those calculus pre reqs and put them to good use. Just know derivatives like the back of your hand, and know how to play around with algebraic equations.</p>
<p>thanks for the reply, does a lot of economic courses require a solid understanding of calculus and does calculus and economics intertwine a lot? And if so, does that mean students who major in mathematics have an advantage in economics?</p>
<p>how hard would economics be for a student who has a difficult time with calculus</p>
<p>wow, thanks again man. hopefully it’ll all work out and I’ll take a dump on those classes- lol</p>
<p>“how hard would economics be for a student who has a difficult time with calculus”</p>
<p>Lets put this in perspective. I got a D in pre-calc in high school, and never took calc till community. I STRUGGLED with calc in community. It was my first time learning it. I had to study my ass off to get a B.</p>
<p>I’m using calc everyday now in Econ and calc is the least of my worries haha. You remember Calc 2? Forget it all. You don’t need it (unless you wanna do econ in grad school). There is a lot of math in econ no doubt, but mostly you are just using derivatives, derivatives, and more derivatives. You are using it over and over so even if you initially suck at it, you will be using it so often it becomes second nature. The math never gets more complex than that.</p>
<p>Remember that Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations had NO MATH AT ALL. Fundamentally math is only secondary in Econ. The math only helps us to explain our models.</p>
<p>Most of Econ math comes from graphs. You will never draw or analyze more graphs in your life haha. Econ is allllllll graphs. Everything can be explained in a graph. There are many times on exams, I don’t know how the **** to solve the problem, so I draw the graph out (the prof encourages us to do this also) and the equations can easily be taken from the graph.</p>
<p>If you are good at math and are mathematically inclined, the problems will be easier for you sure. But if you aren’t like me, that just means you have to put more time into it than other people are. You’ll be fine.</p>
<p>“Sometimes I wish that they would raise the min GPA for the regular Econ degree to a 2.5 or even a 3.0 so it doesnt seem like all the accounting failures are doing regular econ. The accounting path is not what I’m interested in and to see that it only requires a 2.0 for Econ compared to over a 3.3 for Business Economics is ridiculous.”</p>
<p>Yeah I know what you mean bro. It’s like an overwhelming majority of the Econ department here wants to go into accounting. I tell people I don’t want to work for the Big 4 and they look at me like “why are you doing econ O_o?” Uhhhh maybe because I came here to do Economics instead of somewhere else for accounting? haha.</p>
<p>I swear if UCLA had an Accounting major, econ would instantly become unimpacted. What field are you planning to go in to? I’m going into management and my best friend is a 4th year Bus Econ and he’s going into marketing.</p>
<p>thanks for the information amazing. so it’s kind of like a preview of upper div micro from what i understand?</p>
<p>amazing. wow i was responding to your second post in reply to mine, but i just found your first. the detailed one. don’t apologize, that’s exactly what i was looking for. thanks a bunch!</p>
<p>“so it’s kind of like a preview of upper div micro from what i understand?”</p>
<p>It’s more than a preview of upper div micro. I would say Econ 11 is the fundamental foundation of all micro from there on (hence why it’s a weeder and so important). Econ 11 to Microeconomics is like algebra to math. Not like pre-calc to calc.</p>
<p>I’m breezing Econ 101 right now because I studied so hard for 11. The foundations never change, it just gets more detailed, more specific, and more variables get thrown in.</p>
<p>Econ 1: Learn what a deadweight loss is
Econ 11: Learn how to mathematically calculate that DWL
Econ 101: Calculate that DWL in a more complex model
Econ 171: Calculate that DWL in an unnecessarily complex model (this class is a *****)</p>
<p>So you can see why the people who don’t get into the major get stopped at Econ 11. The people in my Econ 101 class who passed 11 with a C are having a very tough time right now.</p>
<p>Amazing:
Thank you very much for all the useful information. It really helps a lot. :)</p>
<p>Amazing:</p>
<p>sorry about the earlier post, I am really on edge about admission decisions.</p>
<p>I was wondering how hard it is to go from bus econ to econ or bus econ to math econ.</p>
<p>When I applied back in november, I thought I wanted to do accounting, but since then, I realized I love math and want to do math econ.</p>
<p>"I was wondering how hard it is to go from bus econ to econ or bus econ to math econ.</p>
<p>When I applied back in november, I thought I wanted to do accounting, but since then, I realized I love math and want to do math econ."</p>
<p>Going from Bus Econ to Econ is very easy to do. If you come in already admitted as pre-bus econ, you need just need to pass Econ 11 and Econ 41 and you can apply for the Econ major.</p>
<p>I don’t know a lot about going from Pre-Bus Econ to Math Econ, because Math Econ is actually from the Mathematics department. So you would be switching departments completely, you would have to ask the Math counselor about it. The good news though, is that Math Econ is NOT IMPACTED. Which means they will be a lot more lenient and willing to let people in.</p>
<p>[UCLA</a> Department of Mathematics](<a href=“Undergraduate Program | UCLA Department of Mathematics”>Undergraduate Program | UCLA Department of Mathematics)</p>
<p>From this list (assuming you completed all the pre reqs for pre-bus econ) you’ll need to do:</p>
<p>Economics 11 Microeconomic Theory
Mathematics 32A Calculus of Several Variables
Mathematics 32B Calculus of Several Variables
Mathematics 33A Linear Algebra and Applications
Mathematics 33B Differential Equations
Mathematics 61 Discrete Structures
PIC 10A Introduction to Programming</p>
<p>I don’t know how many math classes you’ve done past Calc 1 and Calc 2, but that’ll total 21 units (2 quarters) you need to do to get into the major when you get here.</p>
<p>gosh amazing you are being bombarded with questions but i cant help but to ask you one myself with all your helpful info. im in the same boat, biz econ major want to minor in accounting. i believe that you say biz econ has a lot of accounting when compared to econ. well im taking the accounting courses and find them along with the calc classes pretty if not really easy, but econ on the other hand was a bit confusing i still got an A but i had a really ****ty teacher. these hard classes you talk of, do you suppose someone who finds these acct and math classes easier will have an easier time or is it pretty much just all econ</p>
<p>“these hard classes you talk of, do you suppose someone who finds these acct and math classes easier will have an easier time or is it pretty much just all econ”</p>
<p>Accounting is on a completely different path from Econ. Some people like both, some like one or the other. In my opinion there’s really no correlation between the two in terms of success.</p>
<p>However, math is a different story. MATH MAJORS, Math Econ majors, and mathematically inclined people in general do very well in Econ classes. I know it may not seem this way to you right now because you have probably only done Econ 1 and 2. There is no math in these intro classes. However, the FURTHER YOU GO INTO ECON (especially upper div) THE MORE MATH IS INTEGRATED. Econ 11 will be the first time you are asked to calculate anything and it goes from there.</p>
<p>The key is that you want to take Econ professors who teach a mathematical approach (mcdevitt, broad, hopenhayn, etc) rather than a theoretical/conceptual approach (sproul). You can find this through:</p>
<p>[BruinWalk[/url</a>]</p>
<p>You need a student login first before you can use the site.</p>
<p>I can’t stress enough how much success you will have in Econ if you are a math person. For example, take a look at this screenshot:</p>
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<p>This is just a random problem I scrolled through for my Econ 101 class. Now honestly look at that and tell me that Math and Econ are not related haha.</p>
<p>amazing, thanks so much for responding to my posts. I have another question: in your opinion what is easier accounting or econ? and why do you say you don’t like accounting? I have heard that you don’t have to be very good at hard math to be good at accounting is this true? What kind of hard math is used for economics at the upper level? If a person is not naturally math oriented can he/she in your opinion with determination become one with lots of practice or do you believe it has to come naturally to you? Oright, look forward hearing from you, and thanks for the helpful responses you have been responding so far!</p>
<p>wow thanks so much for the teacher recommendations!! i know you already said a lot about math being important so sorry for a kind of repeat question, but it gives me a better concept of what to expect i see what your saying and im sure that the math is not as easy as taking derivatives and setting to 0, but i would imagine a lot is in your ability to set up the problem correctly as well and then it goes on from there.</p>
<p>also, have you heard anything about those mathematical finance classes. i am really interested in taking them because i want to do more of accounting and finance then econ. i think they are like 140abc. i know they require calc 3 and linear algebra, which i am taking in hopes to get into ucla and be able to take those classes. i dont care if they are hard but are they any good? or waste of time.</p>