<p>erc2009, calc 3 for accounting? or just finance? I dont think accounting goes to that high level math, let’s see what amazing says. I personally like accounting, and plan on minoring it, let’s see what happens. I wish you luck, let me know what most interests you from finance and accounting if you be glad to share it here on this site!</p>
<p>do people switch out of the econ major after taking econ 11 or other upper division courses?</p>
<p>no cal 3 for these specific mathematical finance classes UCLA has. you are right, acct does not go that high, but for some reason the finance classes want it, not before transfer but before taking the class and i dont have anything left to take so i figured i might as well knock it out while calc is fresh on my mind. are you biz econ applicant? i want to do finance and acct bc you can make a lot of money and i dont mind crunching numbers all day, my sister is an accountant and is doing amazingly well even given the bad economy. everyone always needs an accountant</p>
<p>“in your opinion what is easier accounting or econ?”</p>
<p>Neither. There is literally no correlation between accounting and econ. Comparing the two would be like asking, “what is easier physics or biology?” The answer… it depends on what you are good at.</p>
<p>“and why do you say you don’t like accounting?”</p>
<p>It just doesn’t interest me at all honestly. Not for any reason other than that.</p>
<p>“What kind of hard math is used for economics at the upper level?”</p>
<p>You will never be asked to know more math than Calc 1, Calc 2, and Intro to Statistics. Remember that upper division ECON BUILDS ON PREVIOUS ECON, not on Math.</p>
<p>“If a person is not naturally math oriented can he/she in your opinion with determination become one with lots of practice or do you believe it has to come naturally to you?”</p>
<p>Yes definitely. Unless you’re talking about Econometrics (extremely mathematical). Math in Econ does not come from your ability to solve complex math problems. Econ is about your ability to look at sentences and words and SET UP THE PROBLEM. The hardest part is just setting it up right, not the solving. An economist takes observations in word form, translates it into graphs and equations, solves it, and then translates it back into word form. I have a friend who is a straight Math major and she tells me that Econ is confusing.</p>
<p>“i would imagine a lot is in your ability to set up the problem correctly as well and then it goes on from there.”</p>
<p>EXACTLY</p>
<p>“also, have you heard anything about those mathematical finance classes.”</p>
<p>Sorry, I honestly don’t know a lot besides basics about accounting/finance. I don’t plan on working for the Big 4. I’m going into management and am taking management classes in addition to the Econ.</p>
<p>amazing, I suppose you don’t know the answer to this following question but I’ll ask it anyways: do you think that economics is easier at another UC? It’s interesting, I hadn’t known much of what you have been telling me as other friends who attend other universities, and also the privates like Occidental, and LMU, USC, they say that econ in upper division is pretty easy and not that much math related. I have heard that at UCLA is harder like you tell me, but from plain assumption, do you believe this fact to be true?</p>
<p>“i want to do finance and acct bc you can make a lot of money and i dont mind crunching numbers all day”</p>
<p>This is very true. I used to work as an assistant in the accounting department of a supplies company. Good god I was bored as **** everyday haha. I was drinking at least a cup or two of coffee everytime because crunching numbers (accounts payable arrrggghhhh) hours on end drove me insane. I guess that’s one of the reasons why I don’t like accounting haha. You really gotta experience the work first, but some people really enjoy it.</p>
<p>Business is such a big field and since UCLA only offers Business Econ/Econ, we all get lumped together. You got people who wanna do finance, accounting, marketing, management, etc… I have a friend that’s gonna go for a PhD in Econ too. Econ is really diverse, you can go into a lot of different fields.</p>
<p>“do people switch out of the econ major after taking econ 11 or other upper division courses?”</p>
<p>You take Econ 41, 11, and 101 first before you apply to any major. If you get the 3.5 in Econ 11 and Econ 11, then you go into Bus Econ. If you don’t get the 3.5, like say B/B or A/C, then you go into Econ.</p>
<p>In order for you to get kicked out of the Econ department entirely, you need to fail (C- or lower) Econ 41 or Econ 11 and repeat more than 1 time. THIS WON’T HAPPEN UNLESS YOU REALLY ARE JUST SLACKING. However, there are people who switch majors simply because they realize they don’t want to do Econ once they get here. This is what the counselor said to me when I was asking around about majors: “If you hate taking Econ 11 or 101, consider if this is the right major for you because you will be doing similar classes everyday”</p>
<p>this might be a dumb question, and you might not know the answer, but can people in other majors get jobs in the business sector such as anthropology, political science, psychology or sociology majors? What do econ majors usually get job offers or go to work in?</p>
<p>“amazing, I suppose you don’t know the answer to this following question but I’ll ask it anyways: do you think that economics is easier at another UC? It’s interesting, I hadn’t known much of what you have been telling me as other friends who attend other universities, and also the privates like Occidental, and LMU, USC, they say that econ in upper division is pretty easy and not that much math related. I have heard that at UCLA is harder like you tell me, but from plain assumption, do you believe this fact to be true?”</p>
<p>I can actually answer this question for you because my best friend is a 4th year about to graduate with a degree in Business Economics at UCSB. He is doing well too, he’s going to graduate with a 3.6.</p>
<p>Is the Econ easier at other UCs? **** yeah haha. My friend agrees with me on this after seeing the work I do for Econ here. This is what my best friend told me about doing Econ at other UCs (just reworded):</p>
<p>“The material is the same, but we’re graded on a curve just like you guys are. The difference is that you guys have so much more competition so the curve is much easier. I study about the 3-4 days before my midterm and I will be in the top 10% of the curve and get an A. You are studying 1-2 weeks before your midterm to get the mean grade and get a B. Honestly it’s entirely about competition.”</p>
<p>Note that my best friend is very smart and knows just as much Econ as anyone at UCLA. He had a 4.3 out of high school and he helps me with my Econ sometimes.</p>
<p>I also have a friend doing 4th year Econ at CSULB. Uhhhh forget about it… I don’t think he can even do my intermediate Econ problems… haha. In his EXACT WORDS: “We have a saying at Long Beach… C’s get degrees.”</p>
<p>Oh and also note in my last post that I am not bitter at all that I have to work much harder to get my Econ degree at UCLA than at other UCs (besides Cal) and CSUs.</p>
<p>Why? Because people KNOW that the school is harder and KNOW that you have put in a lot of work to get it. If a school was easy then it wouldn’t have a good reputation in the first place. So I am very glad that it is competitive here, it has given me a good work ethic and has made me push myself to be able to work harder than I thought I ever could.</p>
<p>And I still party with my best friend at UCSB on the weekends anyways haha. Why not enjoy the best of both worlds.</p>
<p>shouldn’t econ be just as tough at other ucs like ucsd with people wanting business or economic oriented careers?</p>
<p>“but can people in other majors get jobs in the business sector such as anthropology, political science, psychology or sociology majors?”</p>
<p>Yes definitely other majors can get jobs in the business sector. You will, however, have a harder time than someone who’s been doing business for 4 years. Most poli sci majors here (my next year roommate) plan to go to law school. History and Psych majors (my current roommate and another friend) plan to go to grad school.</p>
<p>It will be up to you to shape your application to getting that business related job. An INTERNSHIP is the best way to do this. Your degree says that you can work hard, but your WORK/INTERNSHIP EXPERIENCE says that you have knowledge/skills in the field. There is nothing keeping these social science majors from seeking internships outside their field. And also remember that YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE IN THE MAJOR TO TAKE THE CLASSES. You only need to check each classes individual requirement. Why not take some Econ classes? Take some management classes. Take some accounting classes. These are all things you can put down on your resume.</p>
<p>You will only have a problem finding a job in the business sector if you come out with nothing on your resume but a psychology degree. The world is yours…</p>
<p>“What do econ majors usually get job offers or go to work in?”</p>
<p>Econ is by far the most versatile business degree alongside Business Administration. I’m going into management (gonna get an internship this summer). My best friend is going into marketing (he got a marketing internship already). A lot of people at UCLA go on to work for the Big 4 (accounting firms). I have a friend continuing on to get a PhD in Economics and plans to become a professor. I also have friends going into insurance.</p>
<p>Refer to this chart:</p>
<p><a href=“http://money.cnn.com/2000/08/18/career/q_degreeeconomics/occupation_pie.gif[/url]”>http://money.cnn.com/2000/08/18/career/q_degreeeconomics/occupation_pie.gif</a></p>
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<p>There is so much diversity and so many options with a bachelors in Econ. I plan to go for my MBA after a few years work experience. I honestly have nothing but good things to say about majoring in Economics. I think that you would be hard pressed to find someone who says that Econ majors aren’t useful, or that Econ majors are not smart. Economists are well respected as intellectuals and can always find a government job in market analysis.</p>
<p>UCLA also offers you many resources for finding jobs. We have career fairs where you meet with recruiters. We have informational panels and workshops about every type of business field imaginable. The Anderson School of Management is one of the top business schools in the nation. I’m taking a class on Project Management and IT there and it is absolutely amazing.</p>
<p>Goddamn I love Econ haha.</p>
<p>“shouldn’t econ be just as tough at other ucs like ucsd with people wanting business or economic oriented careers?”</p>
<p>The class material will always be the same, but you can’t generalize the work ethic of students across all the schools.</p>
<p>Think about it. What do you think will be tougher? Taking a business class at Berkeley’s Haas or taking the same class at UCRiverside’s Business school?</p>
<p>You will be getting the same UC education all across true. But Berkeley and UCLA are known to be schools for overachievers. You are fighting a curve against your peers. The better your peers are doing, the more you will have to study and better understand the material to come out with the A. We are both reading the same chapter out of the same book, but while you have read it, I have read it three times over and made an outline. I will raise the curve because of that and therefore the class will be tougher.</p>
<p>However, I’m not going to argue with you about UCSD. UCSD is very comparable to UCLA. Some of the smartest friends I have go there (one of my friends there got the Gates Millenia scholarship). I have respect for their Econ program.</p>
<p>Amazing:</p>
<p>Do you know anything about max unit requirements. If I can go from bus econ to math econ, I will alot of prereqs to make up and it would probably take me three years at ucla. Is this ok. It seems like it should be considering some people double major.</p>
<p>amazing, I have another question: Why would someone just read the material for a class just 1 time? and do you believe that if I read it multiple times I should be fine why or why not? what are the pros and cons you have found for a person to succeed in reading material more than once? I am afraid that if I study hard, I could still fail hope this doesnt happen of course. Also, in a general statement do you think that everyone who goes to UCLA or CAL even if they dont major in econ or bus econ but are there and want to be successful can really have a good academic career or do you only think that impacted majors are successful?</p>
<p>amazing-how is math-eco difficult after transfer?</p>
<p>“Do you know anything about max unit requirements. If I can go from bus econ to math econ, I will alot of prereqs to make up and it would probably take me three years at ucla. Is this ok. It seems like it should be considering some people double major.”</p>
<p>Source:
[Maximum</a> Units](<a href=“http://www.ugeducation.ucla.edu/counseling/regulations/max-units.htm]Maximum”>http://www.ugeducation.ucla.edu/counseling/regulations/max-units.htm)</p>
<p>You need 180 to graduate and 216 is the max. AP units don’t count towards the max. Honestly you can meet with a College Academic Counselor here, and they will break it down for you personally what options you have. They’ll add up the units for you and tell you what is possible.</p>
<p>A lot of people do a third year, completely cool. However, you really really do not want to go over the unit max because they won’t give you a degree if you do. Only a “certificate of completion” However, this won’t happen if you just ask the counselor and don’t take random classes for no reason.</p>
<p>“Why would someone just read the material for a class just 1 time? and do you believe that if I read it multiple times I should be fine why or why not? what are the pros and cons you have found for a person to succeed in reading material more than once? I am afraid that if I study hard, I could still fail hope this doesnt happen of course.”</p>
<p>Everyone just has their own study method. I don’t know any more than any other person who studies hard. Find whatever works for you. IF YOU STUDY HARD YOU WILL NOT FAIL. However, “hard” is relative. Some people say 15 hours of study per exam is hard. I have a friend who puts 30-35 hours of study per exam (important exam). This varies so wildly person to person I won’t attempt to quantify success relative to hours put in haha. Honestly don’t worry so much about it. Just work hard and you’ll be fine haha</p>
<p>“Also, in a general statement do you think that everyone who goes to UCLA or CAL even if they dont major in econ or bus econ but are there and want to be successful can really have a good academic career or do you only think that impacted majors are successful?”</p>
<p>NO WAY.</p>
<p>My friend is a political science major and he works so hard. He writes his own practice essays to memorize material. He has a 3.8 gpa at UCLA (also a transfer student from CC) and plans to go to law school.</p>
<p>My roommate is a history major, also a CC transfer student. Last quarter I signed up for an upper div history class with him thinking it was gonna be an easy A for an Econ major like me. Dude I dropped the class after 2 weeks haha. He ended up getting an A- in the class. They were reading book after book every week. My roommate was going to the library every night from 7pm (after dinner) and wouldn’t come back till about 2am, when he was hitting the high point of his workload. I know he has a 3.5+ gpa and is probably going to go to grad school. History majors have a huuuuuuge memory capacity.</p>
<p>I have another friend who is a communications major (very impacted) who is barely skimming by his classes haha.</p>
<p>I, like everyone, used to falsely believe that Poli Sci and History were easy majors (because they’re not on a curve). This is true if you are are just attempting to get the degree. But for my friends who are maintaining 3.5+ for grad school… they work hardcore.</p>
<p>And my friend who has a 3.5+ physics major (not impacted)… damn I’m not even going to mention his academics haha. In my opinion physics has gotta be the hardest major at the undergrad level (alongside engineering). I thought upper div Econ problems were hard… then I saw his upper div Physics problems and I ****ted a brick.</p>
<p>“amazing-how is math-eco difficult after transfer?”</p>
<p>I answered this in a previous post, just check back somewhere in the thread.</p>
<p>Short answer version:
Difficult because you Math Econ is in the Mathematics department and not Econ department.
Not difficult because Math Econ is not impacted so they are more lenient.</p>
<p>I think when I have the time I’ll just compile this all into a FAQ for admitted pre-bus econ UCLA students. Would be useful because my brother is waiting on his pre-bus econ acceptance from UCLA also. Depends on how lazy I am? haha</p>
<p>overachievers among overachievers… oh no.
that sounds vicious.
i’m scared… & i’m doing (pre) poli. sci. at UCLA (hopefully i’m accepted!)</p>
<p>“overachievers among overachievers… oh no.
that sounds vicious.
i’m scared… & i’m doing (pre) poli. sci. at UCLA (hopefully i’m accepted!)”</p>
<p>Honestly it’s the same thing as Berkeley’s Haas school of business. Except to a much lesser degree. If bus econ is vicious, Haas must be murderous haha.</p>
<p>Poli Sci here isn’t graded on a curve even if it’s impacted (social sciences are never curved anyways), so you have nothing to be scared about. However, as I mentioned in my post earlier about my poli sci friend… UCLA poli sci is definitely rigorous. I can’t write as many papers as he does haha.</p>