<p>They have University of Michigan, University of Virginia, University of North Carolina, Vanderbilt, Carnegie Mellon, Emory, Notre Dame and so forth and don't have NYU?</p>
<p>Those are pretty good schools but I don't necessarily think they are any better than NYU (In fact I chose NYU over some of the schools included in that list!)</p>
<p>CC should definitely make some changes in regards to the "Top Universities List"</p>
<p>Everyone single one of the colleges you listed has a better reputation. NYU isn’t a top university. It’s a great school, don’t get me wrong, but it does not deserve to be in that category.</p>
<p>On what basis are you saying that? what reputation? What about NYU being one of the most sought after universities(both by students and parents) in the country? </p>
<p>Man, I don’t want to get into details here, but from what I observed those schools don’t particularly have better student bodies nor professional programs compared to NYU.</p>
<p>University of Michigan, for example, accepts nearly half(yeas, literally half) of their applicants and their GPA/SAT scores are not even higher than that of NYU.</p>
<p>lol, University of Michigan is a MUCH better school than NYU. It is also much harder to get into UMichigan. The acceptance rate is actually around 40% this year when NYU’s is 33%, however, Umichigan is so much harder to get into because the majority of kids applying are the brightest kids in Michigan. In NYU you get a ton of under-qualified inner-city students applying there. Look at the World Rankings- UMich is ranked 15 and NYU is ranked 41. And idk what you’re talking about, the SATs and ACTs for Umich are much higher than NYU’s…</p>
<p>I’m starting to wonder why you’re in this forum in the first place since you don’t really look like a NYU student but whatever, let’s get the facts straight.</p>
<p>By 2010-2011 official data released by University of Michigan, the acceptance rate is 51 %, so that means they admitted more than half of their applicants. The number your’re referring to is the enrollment percentage of those who got accepted, which is 40% and that is not what we are talking about here, since every school’s number goes down in terms of “enrollment rate”.</p>
<p>Now, acceptance rate of NYU this year is 33% including LSP program. WIthout it, the number drops down to 26%. </p>
<p>The average SAT score of UMAA is anywhere between 1840 and 2150.</p>
<p>The average SAT score of NYU is anywhere between 1860 and 2170.</p>
<p>Don’t belive me? look it up for yourself. It’s easy to find these data if you only know how to google.</p>
<p>USC > NYU</p>
<p>Yet, USC is not in the category.</p>
<p>Also the part you mention World Rankings just cracks me up. Every person with a sound mind knows that those rankings are not anywhere near objective. You seem to have no idea by what standard do those rankings come about. It’s not about how selective the school is nor how bright the kids attending those schools are. It’s largely about how many research papers were published and how much money does one university have.</p>
<p>I’m basing my argument on hard statistical numbers that are reflective of the quality of the student body and if all you can come up with is rankings, which is “questionable” at the very least, then I have nothing to say anymore.</p>
<p>Research output is a far better metric for the quality of a university than either the admission test scores of its incoming freshmen or its acceptance rate. Research, you know, actually matters in the real world, unlike the other two.</p>
<p>I’m not saying that R%D output doesn’t matter but since CC is a place mostly dedicated to college admission and caters to those who are interested in that process, the focus should be more on the input, not the output. </p>
<p>BTW, I’m making a counter argument to undertaker1664 who seems to be under the delusion that large public schools such as UMAA, UNC, UVA, USC are much harder to get into and therefore somehow superior than NYU. That’s just preposterous and patently false.</p>
<p>If the argument is that those schools are better research institutions and therefore better schools, then we would have a interesting debate, but unfortunately that’s not the case here.</p>
<p>Omg are you serious? Almost all of NYU’s programs are ranked better than USC. NYU deserves to be a CC top university… USC definitely does NOT!</p>
<p>IMO, the CC “Top Universities” category was probably derived pretty much directly from the contemporary US News ranking at the time they developed the category. Since then they have been very reticent to make changes, they don’t want to get into wars with different groups about it. I think it’s as simple as that.</p>
<p>IMO, USC has a better argument than NYU does, because it has actually risen to US News top 25, which is what they seemed to be using in the first place, whereas NYU has not. However they haven’t changed USC either, despite a substantial advocacy group on CC.</p>
<p>Us News Ranking is not the legitimate measure for quality of education one could expect from a certain university. You can easily notice something fishy about the list and anyone who takes it all too seriously must be super naive, to put it nicely. </p>
<p>In terms of admission selectivity, quality of education programs and overall name value, NYU absolutely does not lag behind those schools that are 10 spots up the ladder. It’s not just NYU, but some other schools are also way underrated in the list (like MIT, Berkeley or Brown).</p>
<p>This really matters?</p>
<p>“Us News Ranking is not the legitimate measure for quality of education one could expect from a certain university”</p>
<p>I don’t think they were attempting to be the arbiter of the quality of education one could expect from a certain university when they created the category. I think they were just trying to put together a category that conformed to the expectations of the greatest proportion of potential readers at the time they created it. And they used, as proxy for a “concensus list”, that one. There was no alternative that had any kind of comparable following among the masses.</p>
<p>Anything else I think you’re reading too much into it, or expecting too much from them. Or engaging in wishful thinking. CC does not hold itself out as a “ranking” authority, rather it’s a discussion board.</p>
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You are correct, moderators have literally stated that.</p>
<p>Also, OP, this has been discussed a lot.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/new-york-university/890702-why-isnt-nyu-cc-top-universities.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/new-york-university/890702-why-isnt-nyu-cc-top-universities.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/new-york-university/668643-nyu-top-college-board.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/new-york-university/668643-nyu-top-college-board.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/new-york-university/649720-lets-put-nyu-one-links-top-colleges-cc.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/new-york-university/649720-lets-put-nyu-one-links-top-colleges-cc.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/new-york-university/176981-nyu-not-top-uni.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/new-york-university/176981-nyu-not-top-uni.html</a></p>
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<p>A quick search could have yielded the information. They all pretty much say the same thing.</p>
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The University of Southern California is not a large public school, and I have a feeling that the USC being referenced was not the University of South Carolina.</p>
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Taking out one large group of accepted students thus makes the acceptance rate a lie. It’s 33%. It isn’t “really” 26%; it is 33%. 33% of students who apply to NYU are accepted. Many schools have comparable acceptance rates (BC is 31%, I think, and a Google search yields a USC statistic of 22.7%) and are also not in the “Top Universities”.</p>
<p>It is an ultimately arbitrary distinction, as the mods themselves have noted, and they will not be changing it. USC, Tufts, and NYU often have advocates, and have over the years, but there has been no change. It really doesn’t matter.</p>
<p>CC is never going to add it, so why bother? Also, a better way of asking the question would have been to expand on the merits of NYU, not put down other schools :/</p>
<p>Wow, I surely don’t want to get into long debate on this subject (not sure it’s even worth the time) but just few quick things.</p>
<p>“Taking out one large group of accepted students thus makes the acceptance rate a lie. It’s 33%. It isn’t “really” 26%; it is 33%. 33% of students who apply to NYU are accepted. Many schools have comparable acceptance rates (BC is 31%, I think, and a Google search yields a USC statistic of 22.7%) and are also not in the “Top Universities”.”</p>
<p>I didn’t say 26% is a real acceptance rate, just that you can’t really find a program such as LSP in other schools(Maybe Emory?) and I wanted to make sure that the comparison was done on an equal footing, so to speak. Also, it’s not been long since NYU started to count LSP acceptance rate in its overall rate, so that tells you something.</p>
<p>But all things aside, if CC has no intention to include(or exclude) some of the schools in the category, then that’s fine. I just think it’s not really a good idea to even put up a category labeled as “Top Universities” and don’t really listen to what people think about the category.</p>
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I’m pretty sure there are many schools with Liberal Studies programs or similar things, though perhaps not exactly like NYU does it. It is equal footing, as overall rate comparison simply measures the percentage of students a school chooses to accept. If one school has a less selective program, that’s no less fair than another having a more selective program. But really, acceptance rates don’t matter beyond getting in to college.</p>
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Yes, on one of the many similar USC threads, I said that it would be a better idea just to have an alphabetical listing, rather than one for the Ivy League Sports Conference and one for “Top” universities and one for “Top” LACs and then alphabetical for the rest.</p>
<p>But really, it hardly matters. No one will choose a school or not based on its location on an internet forum.</p>
<p>NYU is known for leaving their students in the most debt and they are ranked the highest for most debt.</p>
<p>Well in my opinion, USC = NYU; also NYU>Michigan. Each school has its own respective programs that are good, and it’s really hard to categorize. </p>
<p>But to the guy saying Mich > NYU…Roflmao. Mich is a really easy school to get into…In my school, it’s a lot easier to get into Mich than NYU (we feed students into both schools). Take out the LSP students and then NYU is much harder than Mich…I mean I guess Michigan doesn’t like your school then bro.</p>