<p>Edit: I typed up a whole response, but wtvr.</p>
<p>The debate lies in the subjectivity of normal. That is it.</p>
<p>Ralec thinks homosexuality is not normal while other thinks the contrary. In that respect no one is right/wrong.</p>
<p>Just for the record: I am very pro-gay rights, but I don’t really hate people who are opposed. I just don’t understand it, to be quite honest.</p>
<p>I think people are against gay marriage need to just take a minute and think about it. By trying to keep marriage the way it is, you are pretty much telling two people that it isn’t okay for them to be together, and that they just don’t have the choice to get married. Isn’t that the picture of inequality? You aren’t giving them the chance, you are trying to control their life, when really, unless they are directly having an influence on you, why is it your business? </p>
<p>People need to stop worrying about what everybody else does and worry about themselves. I thought this was all something we learned in kindergarten. I don’t think anybody has the right to tell two in-love people that they can’t be together because there are people out there who think it is wrong.</p>
<p>I mean, it’s basically the same thing as telling people they can’t be a certain religion just because you don’t think it is right.</p>
<p>Can you name any negative effects of homosexual marriage? Last time I checked, California is still a standing state and you can marry somebody of your same sex there.</p>
<p>For me it all comes down to freedom. I am straight, but I don’t think that anybody has the right to tell another person who they can or cannot marry.</p>
<p>By saying homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to marry is causing a load of problems with our community. For example, so far this school year, there have been at least seven openly gay teenagers that committed suicide because of the bullying they got for sexuality. For being themselves and trying to put themselves out there. I can’t even really put into words how sad this is. Can you? Imagine your best friend just ending their life because they were bullied. Maybe if our leaders could spread a more positive message about homosexuality, they wouldn’t be bullied. We are just now moving forward as far as racism goes, do we really want to take several steps back?</p>
<p>Also, take into consideration that there are a lot of animals out there that have displayed homosexuality.</p>
<p>Why can’t people just… get over it? Live and let live? The world would be a better place if people could just try to agree.</p>
<p>Okay, now think about your best friend. Your brother. Your mom, dad, aunt, whatever. How would you react if they came out as gay? A lot of minors out there would be kicked out because they live in homes that don’t accept them. I think that when there are kids out there suffering because people don’t think gays are normal and believe they are unfortunate.</p>
<p>I really want to respect the opinions of all you on CC, but I just find it hard to do when you are trying to prevent the happiness of other people. </p>
<p>You are just lucky, as a heterosexual, that you have never been teased for your sexuality, and nobody is trying to tell you who you can’t marry because of their gender.</p>
<p>And, in case this is any relevance (I believe it is, since religion seems to be a big theme in this thread) I am Agnostic.</p>
<p>Gays deserve Equal Rights–that means the right to get married. Hopefully, in years from now, we will all see how silly this discussion is.</p>
<p>I ususally don’t like getting in the middle of this, but I guess I’ll use this opportunity to support my views.</p>
<p>I do not support the Gay lifestyle, but marriage is a matter of benfits, so let them have it.</p>
<p>Would I care if Gay people weren’t allowed to marry? Quite honestly, no.</p>
<p>Why? Am I an ignorant persecuter who hates for no good reason? No, not at all.</p>
<p>As far as Gay people go, I don’t mind them. It’s not that I’m so disgusted that I can’t be in the same room with them. If they want to be gay, let them be gay, it’s absolutely none of my business. If there’s something going on in my state and there are elections being held, I will abstain. I’m not a crazy picketer that will go out and vote against it.</p>
<p>My basis for being against gay lifestyles is my religion. All three of the trinity religions support anti-gay clauses. And, I must say, I do love my religion.</p>
<p>However, I do have gay friends. And I can work fine with them, it’s just that, in my book, in my life, it’s not what I have been taught.</p>
<p>As far as those crazy lunatics that try to put gay people in Jail over in the middle east, well that’s just down right crazy. They are still people. Who have powers just as you do. I am in no seat to make judgement on any rights, that is God’s job. Let them enter marriage and recieve the benefits if the general populace should vote on that. I don’t mind it but ethically I’m not a supporter.</p>
<p>i agree with you jaialaichamp. i have the same thoughts when it comes to this topic. i jus dont’ really care. but i’m not religious. whatever.</p>
<p>In answer to the OP’s question, I think many people opposed to gay marriage view being gay as a choice. And since their religion is against being gay, they want gays to become straight and just marry the opposite sex.</p>
<p>Which is completely ridic, b/c it’s totally not a choice—but I think that’s the mindset a lot of people have.</p>
<p>Also another ridiculous argument is that if we allow this, what next–polygamy? Marrying your chicken?</p>
<p>I completely support gay marriage. Just saying some of the arguments of people opposed to it…</p>
<p>I don’t understand how gay being a choice changes the argument at all. Even if it is a choice, why don’t they deserve to be able to choose who they marry?</p>
<p>^I think the argument (which I completely disagree with, btw) is that since it’s a choice, and since the Bible/Koran/[insert anti-gay religious book here] which said people believe in says it’s evil, then gays just need to change their ways.</p>
<p>^ Or more specifically, if it’s a choice, then Christians have a right to discriminate against gays, just as Muslims can discriminate against people who eat pork all the time.</p>
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<p>That argument isn’t ridiculous, IMHO. After all, if society can move to the point where homosexuality is considered acceptable, then there’s no reason for us to think that our norms can’t be changed in the future.</p>
<p>The slippery slope is a logical fallacy…</p>
<p>^ I disagree. It isn’t always appropriate, but it isn’t inherently flawed either.</p>
<p>I am a girl.
I like boys.
I have a friend that is a girl that likes boys and girls.
I have a friend that is a boy that likes boys.
People should be able to be with who they love, regardless of gender.</p>
<p>^ sfahgdfjhgjkhk</p>
<p>It is objectively a logical fallacy. It’s not my opinion. </p>
<p>[Slippery</a> slope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope]Slippery”>Slippery slope - Wikipedia)</p>
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<p>I believe Christians should have the right to discriminate against gays all they want within their own religion. I encourage that, the absence of the LGBT population from religion could only make it smarter. And it would really be embarrassing if the interpretation of the bible had to do yet another 180, people might start to think religion wasn’t based on a solid foundation.</p>
<p>I and many don’t care if gays get to have religious marriage. We care that gays get to have civil marriage. Christians’ rights to discriminate against whoever they’d like should stop when it comes to the government and laws. Muslims can’t enact a law that discriminates against people who eat pork all the time (very lame example, by the way) just because their religion says that is an immoral choice. So if homosexuality were even a choice, it still should not matter to the argument of <em>civil</em> marriage what religion has to say.</p>
<p>[10</a> Reasons Why Gay Marriage is Wrong](<a href=“http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/16/14642/8360/207/536787]10”>http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/16/14642/8360/207/536787)</p>
<p>The same book in the Bible that says gay marriage is wrong also says that eating shellfish and touching the skin of a pig is wrong. Also, we should stone a woman who has already been married who tries to marry again.</p>
<p>Being gay really isn’t a choice. Why would you choose to join one of the most discriminated against/targeted groups in history? Love is love is love. I agree with confused; gender shouldn’t matter. Religion doesn’t transcend humanity.</p>
<p>this thread shows a liberal movement in society… just saying</p>
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<p>INTERESTING</p>
<p>Sigh. As a gay person, the arguments on here are very poor. Mainly, it seems to be the general consensus amongst opponents in this thread that being gay is a choice in that it involves the environment and circumstances that the child is brought up in.
First off, what circumstances? Personally, my family tried to raise me to be as normal as possible. My dad’s family are class-A W.A.S.P.‘s and my mom’s family are patriotic as hell. Exactly where in my life did my environment suddenly turn abnormal enough to change my sexuality?
Plus, out of all the gay friends I have, I can’t think of one that was raised in a highly circumstantial environment. But this brings up an interesting point: there is slowly becoming more and more pressure on gays to immediately claim to have had a normal childhood. In a sense, the people who scrutinize homosexuals’ pasts to try to point to some factor (molestation, bullying, single parent, etc.) that made them that way are making gay people more oppressed.</p>