<p>"every time you post a little part of me dies inside."
Errr... we're being a little melodramatic, don't you think? </p>
<p>"YOU are the only one who sees a barnard degree as equal to a columbia one. YOU are the one who lets some girl who goes to barnard bother you."
The girl doesn't bother me, it's the principle and seeming lack of logic.</p>
<p>I think on face value, it is pretty silly that Barnard girls get a "Columbia" degree, but then again, I couldn't give two faeces.</p>
<p>"Here we go again... if you don't like the post, just insult the poster. How about addressing the issues?"</p>
<p>How about I don't'? How about I address a post that I don't agree with?</p>
<p>"The question initially posed by the OP is legitimate. No other Ivy offers as many "back doors." </p>
<p>"back door" to what? No where in Columbia's mission does it state that the undergraduate college is a front door to anything. I'm sure that if it's good enough for Lee Bollinger, Alan Brinkley, Stephan Rittenburg and whatever other tight-wad to create as many "open door" policies for students they deem as qualified to benefit the livelyhood of the institution, then it's good enough for the rest of you. </p>
<p>"Other Ivies have become fully coed - Harvard does not issue Simmons College girls with Harvard diplomas - no other Ivy has a "tag along" like Barnard. The affiliation is simply an anachronism and needs to be jettisoned"</p>
<p>Look, if it's that much of an issue for you--simply drop out and attempt to transfer into an institution more to your liking. I'm sure the over zelous competitive nature of Harvard and Yale's prospective transfer students should welcome you with open arms, no?</p>
<p>In the grand scheme, Barnard is still Barnard. It's a fine institution. Their transcripts, their degrees, their resumes etc will still differentiate from those at the college with the name "Barnard" on it. </p>
<p>I apologize for the aggressive posting but the responses to a few these questions is down right laughable at times.</p>
<p>We should be able to place bets on whether or not a thread is going to result in an argument...</p>
<p>I would have bet the bank on this one. :)</p>
<p>GS is like Harvard Extension School or UPenn's General Studies.</p>
<p>Well, as long as we're bickering....</p>
<p>Is Barnard part of the Ivy League? Becuase the Barnard 2011 girls on facebook are joining the "*****, I'm In The Ivy League" group.</p>
<p>I don't really get why Barnard girls say they are going to an Ivy League institution. That's the part that annoys me.</p>
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<p>The ones who do are delusional and probably belong in an institution ;)</p>
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From this moment on, perhaps it would be in Columbia's interest to remind everyone that the mission of the university does not revolve around meeting the self-absorbed needs of the students from Columbia College.
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<p>Actually, extreme selectivity helps an institution. First off, there's a mystique that goes along with an institution that's very exclusive/selective. Moreover, an institution's extreme selectivity makes it even more desirable and causes even more people to want it to try to get in. This all helps the prestige / value of the degree in some way.</p>
<p>Well, actually the Ivy League is a sports league, so only the Barnard students who play on teams are "Ivy League" if we want to be technical about it.</p>
<p>Good point mardad.</p>
<p>Sadly, Columbia2002, it's more girls than you would think who go around saying that.</p>
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Well, actually the Ivy League is a sports league, so only the Barnard students who play on teams are "Ivy League" if we want to be technical about it.
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<p>This doesn't really fly. While the Ivy league started as just a sports league, the Ivies are banded together as to many academic matters. Take the Ivy admissions policies (like the standardized Ivy date when decisions are released, when alumni can contact admitted students to recruit them, etc.), which to my knowledge are not signed onto by the independent admissions office of Barnard, for example.</p>
<p>I took a backdoor into your mom.</p>
<p>(insert picture of a trainwreck here)</p>
<p>Columbia (as any other college-university) is there to provide students with an education, not to pamper to students who already know it all and just need a paper as proof of their ego-inflated genius selves. I see absolutely nothing wrong with the idea of making top-notch education available for ANYONE - do you?</p>
<p>HAHAHHAHAHA denzera...</p>
<p>i was on this online server and some guy was annoying the shiz outta me and coming out with lame momma jokes so i laid this one out:</p>
<p>"I f**ked your Mom on Mother's Day"</p>
<p>It got me kicked and banned from the server.</p>
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with the idea of making top-notch education available for ANYONE - do you?
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<p>It wouldn't be a top-notch education if it were open to anyone.</p>
<p>I'm still waiting for the ladies at this place to let me into these so-called backdoors. Until receipt of confirmation, I don't believe backdoors exist here. Sorry.</p>
<p>edit: I see Denzera sort of beat me to the joke. Figures.</p>
<p>A number of other universities issue degrees of the University to students who attend colleges with varied admissions criteria and selectivity. </p>
<p>As one example, Cornell has seven undergraduate colleges, each with separate admissions. A number of these colleges undoubtedly have less cross-enrollment with each other than Columbia & Barnard have. Most of these colleges have lower average academic stats than the Arts & Sciences college (and also lower than Barnard, last I looked). Yet all students get degrees of the university. </p>
<p>To say all these students are using these colleges as a "back door" to Cornell's Arts & Sciences college would be rather presumptious though. As with Barnard students, they take most of their courses at their own college, so hopefully the education they were looking for is what they were getting.
Yes they will all get degrees from Cornell University in the end, not just their individual college. But that was the deal when they all signed up. </p>
<p>I think only the most egotistical of Cornell Arts & Sciences College students would imagine that every one else there is undertaking an entire educational program, with their varied course requirements, etc, for the sole purpose of basking in the reflected glory of Cornell derived solely from its Arts & Sciences college.</p>
<p>Penn also has separate colleges. NYU has separate colleges.</p>
<p>The affiliate structure Columbia employs is odd. At other universities colleges such as Teachers College would just be set up as regular divisions of the university, in the normal fashion. For example, Cornell's "Teacher's College" is a program wthin its College of Agriculture. However, as I understand it Columbia U issues the degrees for all the affiliated colleges, not just Barnard, and this has been the case since before any current applicants were born.</p>
<p>Anyone considering Cornell, if you're really worked up over the fact that someone in their Hotel School will also get a Cornell degree, I suggest don't apply. Alternatively you can go there anyway, and then post on various mesage boards about why they should stop issuing Cornell degrees to hotel students. But that's not likely to help, since the people posting on these message boards don't control this, and you might just make yourself look like a pompous egotist.</p>
<p>But enough digresssion about Cornell.</p>
<p>The point is that other universities also give degrees to students from various programs.</p>
<p>^Yes...to programs that are PART of those respective universities.
Barnard is not PART of Columbia.</p>
<p>Oh, good grief. Give it a rest already. It is what it is and I hope another discussion of the ins and outs of the Barnard/Columbia University affiliation will not ensue.</p>