<p>ivy is good to go for undergrad... if you are looking to get into a medical school or business school or law school ect...</p>
<p>but if you are only going to undergrad, going to an ivy= a job???? hahaha
there are jobs everywhere
many people get jobs, without going to an ivy.</p>
<p>Just like many people go to graduate school if they don't go to an ivy. The point is it can open more doors.</p>
<p>your point is? </p>
<p>Ivies are ivies for a reason. They admit smart, bright kids rather than stupid kids who just want to party 24/7. </p>
<p>Yes people get jobs no matter where they go. But using your reasoning, a job as an investment banker is the same as an accounts payable job.</p>
<p>but ivies aren't the only schools to admit only smart people... mit, caltech, chicago, school's with honor programs.. etc</p>
<p>Yes, but, many ivy applicants apply to those schools also.
People go to top schools for a variety of reasons (I'm not saying whether these are valid reasons, just that people use them): prestige, better quality, just want to...and I think most don't know whether they'll go to med school, law school, grad school, or straight into the workforce. </p>
<p>I'm afraid I don't get your point. I can understand your original argument, I suppose, though most people make it the opposite way: save your money to go to a prestigious grad school, unless you're only going to undergrad. But when you seem to promote other selective schools, as the expense of the ivy league, your argument falls flat. Why are ivies any worse an option than Stanford or MIT? Did you just not get into any?</p>
<p>First of all, I don't differentiate between the ivies and schools like MIT, Caltech, chicago, duke etc. Honestly, there is no difference. Students at Chicago/Duke are as smart as students at Harvard, Yale or Princeton,</p>
<p>If you're comparing the ivies to state schools like Ohio State, Rutgers, etc then why wouldn't you go to an ivy???</p>
<p>"Did you just not get into any?"</p>
<p>Judging by his inability to assemble a coherent argument, I'd say he didn't.</p>
<p>If one's main purpose in going to college is to get a job, then probably an Ivy wouldn't be the best place for you. Indeed, if you want to work in the state where you currently live, going to your flagship state u may give you the best job options due to the networking because of the large alum network. </p>
<p>If what you value in a college education is the stimulation of being around very smart, talented peers who are passionate about their academics and extracurriculars, then an Ivy or similar college may be the best fit for you.</p>
<p>What</a> is your purpose of going to good college?</p>
<p>My reply:
My parents pressured me to go to school for free in Europe, and the thought of a middle-class lifestyle doesn't offend me. I wanted to go to a college where I wouldn't feel alienated for having academic interests, where I would receive a demanding, high-quality education, where I'd meet friends to keep for the rest of my life, and (here's the part about "fit") where I would be completely, blissfully happy. I happened to find those things at the Ivy League school where I was fortunate enough to be accepted. The reputation of the schools was only involved in the sense that prestige and academic excellence tend to be correlated; going to a "name" school was never a priority for me.
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Actually, that entire post can probably be condensed into this simple sentiment: I always felt out of place in high school, but when I visited my "elite" college a few weeks ago, it felt like coming home. I never liked being singled out as an overachiever in high school, and there's something profoundly comforting about being in a group where everyone else is equally (probably more) accomplished and impressive as (than) you. I don't know if I'm articulating that properly.
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Judging by the other posts in that thread, I'm not the only one who feels that way.</p>
<p>ummm.. plenty of people go to wharton to get a top job - as I'm sure is the case for many of the other ivies.</p>
<p>GAclassof2008: Rampant generalizations much?</p>
<p>Do you know why Ivy League schools are well-regarded for graduate school admission? Have you ever thought that maybe the same thing applies in job searches?</p>
<p>Many top companies (IBanks, and so forth) will only recruit at top schools. Remember, I'm not saying only Ivies, as I agree with another poster here that among the top schools it's not at all like every Ivy is better than every non-Ivy - though I'd dispute Duke being placed in that group of top schools. From any of the top schools, you're going to have better employment prospects than from a worse-regarded school, ceteris paribus.</p>
<p>So to your original question? No difference between the Ivies and other top schools, as a group. Definite difference between the top schools and lower schools, as groups, in many areas, including employment prospects.</p>
<p>Ivies are useful for those who aspire to be investment bankers or on Wall Street.
However, I believe it is not as important when considering medical or law schools. I mean pre-med is pre-med anywhere you go and don't tell me one is greater then the other just because of prestige. For instance, a school near me called Pacific Lutheran University, not really a selective school, churns out a lot of med school students every year. In regards to business Ivies might help somewhat.</p>
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but if you are only going to undergrad, going to an ivy= a job???? hahaha
there are jobs everywhere
many people get jobs, without going to an ivy.
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<p>...this is a pretty simplistic way of looking at things.</p>
<p>Don't forget to include people without degrees who also get jobs.</p>
<p>education is education..... people keep putting ivies on this high pedastool.... just cause you get in or go to an ivy, it doesn't change how smart you are.... there are smarter people elsewhere.... unless you want to do something really big with your life i guess with a big corporation,.... ivy= pointless. if you went to washington state, rutgers, uga, villanova... you could still be a proffessor, a nurse, a lawyer, a doctor, a business person... whatever you want...how well you do your job, and how intellectual you are... makes the salary... not the school.</p>
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just cause you get in or go to an ivy, it doesn't change how smart you are.... there are smarter people elsewhere....
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<p>Well, don't you think if the person was smart he/she would have gone to an ivy/other top tier school in the first place?</p>
<p>What you're saying holds true for those smart people that don't have the finances to attend an Ivy league/top tier school but chose a state/lesser known school because its cheaper and/or they get a better financial aid package.</p>
<p>exactly......... there are soo many smart people who don't go to ivies cause they can't afford it...... there are too many people who think that ivies are "for the brightest"... when at just about any school..... you can find someone with a perfect SAT.</p>
<p>also you have smart lazy people... who are smart... but don't want to stress themselves in an ivy or they would rather be around a more diverse student population (not by race), but by intelligence, social class, personalities..... and you've got dumb hardworking people.... who want to go to an ivy, but once they get there, they can't hack it.</p>
<p>You are right about one thing and that's the person who is the successful one, not the degree hanging on the wall. But guess what? These successful people are often the ones at the great schools. Someone at the local cc is most likely a completely different person than sum1 at an Ivy because of differing intelligence, motivation, passion, ect... </p>
<p>Ur argument is pretty pointless to tell you the truth...esp cuz u worded it really strangely. Ur getting better w/ every post but I still don't c ur point. Ur saying that getting an Ivy League education is pointless. U r VERY mistaken...I'm not going to get into the long list of reasons right now because they should be very obvious if u r at all a critical thinker. Not everyone goes to college for the resulting job (even though having an Ivy Degree gives u much more credibility when getting a job than some other random one at a lower level)...</p>
<p>ok let me word it better: any education is good.</p>
<p>people should realize that there are good schools other than ivies, and that if you can't afford an ivy, having a huge loan isn't the smartest thing to do, when there are soo many other good schools</p>
<p>there.... is the wording better?</p>