Why would you want to go to a women's college instead of a coed one?

<p>Excellent point S&P</p>

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<p>"Why does that matter? "</p>

<p>If being in a male dominated envior doesn’t bother your, that’s fine - - but for others (including mcpucks1357), working with women is/was important and if so, a women’s college is a good choice.</p>

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<p>As for sexuality - - isn’t exploring their heterosexuality (which is part of socialization) one of the primary reasons young women prefer coed schools? Don’t most college-bound girls and boys want/expect to date and be sexually during those four years, regardless of their sexual preference(s)?</p>

<p>This recent interview of Bryn Mawr President McAuliffe presents several compelling reasons why a woman may select a single-sex college. They include a higher percentage of women science, technology, engineering and math majors than at coed school and higher probability of attending graduate school. Glad our DD choose one of the 7 sisters.</p>

<p>[A</a> Women’s College That Wants to Change the World - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/22/conference]A”>A Women's College That Wants to Change the World - The New York Times)</p>

<p>Greetings:</p>

<p>There is so much more to women’s colleges than the fact that they are single-sex. It is impossible to get a good feel for any college or university if you only focus on an institution’s most marked characteristic. Asking why anyone would want to attend a women’s college is akin to asking why anyone would want to attend a large state school, or a small liberal arts college, or a school in a location where it snows all the time. If that’s all you see, you are missing, well, everything.</p>

<p>I chose to apply to two women’s colleges (and one former women’s college - Sarah Lawrence) because I wanted the opportunity to develop strong friendships with women. In high school, most of my friends were boys, and I felt like I needed to challenge this. Also, I loved that these colleges had gorgeous campuses, attractive housing, lots of tradition and strong national reputations. </p>

<p>My goal was to attend a liberal arts school with as much prestige as possible, even though my strengths are lopsided (great in the humanities, terrible in math and science). I felt that the small co-ed schools on par with the Seven Sisters (Amherst, Williams, etc) were so selective that they would not give me a chance to show them why I would be a good addition to their campus - I knew they had many, many people applying who looked so much better on paper than I did. The small women’s schools to which I applied seemed to value me as a whole person, not just the sum of my great verbal scores and horrific math scores - during the interviews, I felt like they wanted to see all of me and what I could bring to their community.</p>

<p>I was accepted at all three schools (you can tell how long ago this was, because nowadays it seems almost unheard-of to apply to such a small number!), and chose Mount Holyoke. Suddenly I found myself in a community a brilliant, well-read, socially aware women with thoughts and opinions about a wide range of topics. Friendships blossomed easily, and a core group of ten of us have traveled together every two years since graduating 20 years ago.</p>

<p>Given that the college was, obviously, so women-focused, I developed a strong interest in the history of women’s rights and the ever-changing roles of women and society that informs my world-view to this day. I know that many of my classmates at Mount Holyoke felt emotionally safer seeking leadership positions within the college community and studying math and science than they might have at a co-ed school, but this was not my personal experience. I had never experienced some of the overt sexism that some of my classmates (particularly international students) had endured, so the idea of being empowered by the lack of men wasn’t an issue for me. It was, however, very important to others who had not had the same positive and empowered upbringing that I had. This is probably one of the greatest arguments for the value of women’s colleges - the culture and the world do not change and grow at the same rate for everyone. Just because one person doesn’t need the extra boost of confidence that a single-sex environment provides, it doesn’t mean such an environment is archaic and useless. </p>

<p>My college friends and I have turned out to be thoughtful and curious about the world. We are interested in politics and social issues and the environment, and we are also interested in our husbands and boyfriends and children and shoes. We would probably be this way anyway, given the kinds of people we are, but we all cite our four years at Mount Holyoke as a defining period in our lives. We probably would have enjoyed our time at many other colleges, too. In the end, however, the history, tradition, culture, values and environment of Mount Holyoke made it a very special place to live and work and grow up, and none of us would change our decision to attend.</p>

<p>I think most women already know whether attending a single sex school is right for them or not. And everyone is different.</p>

<p>Power to the ladies who do believe in single sex schools, but I’m just not one of them. What really gets me is that college is a time of intellectual discussion. You have round table discussions and get to listen to very unique opinions. Of course, you’ll hear unique opinions at a women’s college, but you won’t get to hear a male’s side of the discussion. I’m not saying all men think alike or that women don’t think as well as men, but I am saying that you will be missing out on a perspective.</p>

<p>And I just feel like you don’t get the same experiences. I am intelligent, and I will take college very seriously, but I want to party a little too. Have a bit of fun. And I’m sorry but all girls parties are fun every now and then, but every week? :confused: No thanks.</p>

<p>Women in math, science, and engineering will be completely outnumbered in the workplace when they graduate anyway. Might as well get accustomed to it at a co-ed university.</p>

<p>I hope I can add something as a Smith alum. Single-sex education offers you the chance to be yourself. And to grow. And to learn. In an environment where you’re not also trying to catch the eye of the cute guy in your Chem lab. Or where you don’t want to appear “too smart” because you think it will be a turn off to the guys on the lacrosse team. At places like Smith, you’re amongst people who are nice, and friendly, and supportive. And you have professors who really want you to learn. It was such a shock for me to attend NYU for graduate school, where I had a professor who didn’t even try to learn our names, and where no one really cared if you failed. At Smith, that would never happen. Bottom line – would you be fine at a co-ed school? Probably. Would you benefit from a single-sex school like Smith? Absolutely!</p>

<p>I can imagine schools such as the 7 sisters being dream environments. Hell, a school full of women, every man’s dream. :D</p>

<p>Um, dude? They’re women. They’re not desperate.</p>

<p>I see real benefits of students learning in a nurturing an supportive environment. One drawback that I recently noticed about Smith and Bryn Mawr is that they really don’t offer much merit aid. I see they are very generous with need-based aid though. I was very interested in both schools for my daughter, but then I saw on Naviance how neither really offer much for merit aid.</p>

<p>Glad your D enjoyed the rigor and stimulation of a Smith education. I loved it there, and recommended it to my niece (Class of 2000). Her brother (Harvard, Class of 2001) was surprised that she was enjoying her college experience so much.</p>

<p>It was a joke, yeah?</p>

<p>I love intelligent women.</p>

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<p>What do you mean? Do you mean that HK is more progressive than the US? I study in an international school in HK.</p>

<p>If the professors in US colleges are sexist, and only cater to male students, then I can understand that argument for going to a women’s college. But if it’s just that girls will speak up more when boys are not around then I don’t think this argument is valid for girls who speak up around boys anyway.</p>

<p>@Classof2015 - not all girls are trying to catch the eyes of guys in class</p>

<p>This is not to say that I won’t consider women’s colleges for other reasons. I like Wellesley a lot and I am seriously thinking of applying but for other reasons: great academic reputation, beautiful campus, great location etc. not because I feel like I will finally be able to speak up in class.</p>

<p>" Unfortunately for males the most important years for single gender education are the first five, while for women the later years of high school are more important. In single gender education both males and females feel free to violate gender stereotypes."</p>

<p>Where did you get this from? I’m not trying to dispute you, I’m genuinely interested.</p>

<p>My daughters both attend different women’s colleges and neither one set out to do so. What was most interesting was the recurring theme I heard while visiting the schools with them: the great majority of the women enrolled at both places stated emphatically that they’d never considered a women’s school before visiting. </p>

<p>My sense is that there is a strong sense of community, enthusiasm, investment, pride, and history that draws visitors in and continues to bond these women as they go through their college years. There are also loyal and active alumni networks that seem pretty unique. The women who have come before are very invested in helping the next generation achieve their goals and are eager to serve as mentors.</p>

<p>No, it’s not for everyone but those who say it’s not for them without having visited might be surprised.</p>

<p>^ agree with you. Those are the reasons I am considered a women’s college, not because I’m afraid to sit in physics 101 with boys.</p>

<p>I’m really considering women’s colleges, but am worried about the social experience. I think I’ll be applying to Wellesley and Smith. I’ve heard that Wellesley empties on the weekend and you need connections to MIT or other Boston schools to attend parties, because there are none on campus. I’ve also heard that Smith women are looked down upon by or intimidate (I don’t see why, but this is what I have heard) the men in the 5 College Area, and therefore there is less of a social life. </p>

<p>I’m definitely not a partier in any sense, but I’m not sure if I’m ready to forgo that part of the college experience completely. Could someone offer insight on the social life at women’s colleges?</p>

<p>I haven’t yet visited the colleges on my list, that comes next month (procrastinating FTW, I’m a senior) but I do have three of the Sisters (plus Vassar) on my list: Barnard, Smith, and Wellesley. I am looking to narrow my ultimate list down, so I’m not for sure applying to all three.</p>

<p>The appeal of an all-girls school is partly the admissions bargain, I’ll admit. I’m applying to several other very selective co-ed LACs that I might not have as much of a shot at. The other reason, which might change when I visit, is that I do like the sound of an all-girls environment. I tell my friends I’m applying to all-girls schools and they look at me like I’m crazy but it seems like most of the drama that girls hate each other for has to do…with boys. and it also seems like the kind of girls who would go to an all-girls school, especially schools like the Sisters, are not typically the kind of shallow, catty girls that nerds like myself hate in high school.</p>

<p>Also, I have been in relationships for almost all of high school, plus most of my closest friends are male. I kind of want…freedom from that.I fall for guys very easily, and I think I could benefit from independence. I have only two very close female friends, I want more relationships like those. </p>

<p>Plus, I’m going to do theatre (as an EC, not a major) no matter which school I go to, and I know at least at Barnard and Smith have joint programs with co-ed schools, so I’ll meet guys through that. </p>

<p>This thread has been very intriguing, as an applicant to several women’s colleges I appreciate the different perspectives and would love to hear more. If anyone would like to promote their school or their kid’s school, shoot a PM my way, I’d love to get more insider knowledge. Especially if anyone has any insight to the theatre program at Wellesley. Thanks!</p>

<p>^ I think that’s a very observant and thought provoking post, kenzie. I agree that you are right on the nose about the source of most of the “cattiness” or “drama” that people assume is inherent when girls get together in groups. And I think it’s interesting that you want to develop closer female friendships, because that’s something I often talk to people about who are interested in women’s colleges but afraid of not having as many relationships with guys. Yes, of course, you will have fewer close relationships with guys at a single-sex insitution, but on the flip-side it’s a unique opportunity to build close, female friendships that usually last a lifetime. A lot of girls don’t do that in high school because of the pressure of competition, which is usually overtly or quietly competition for male attention, that encourages girls to see each other as rivals, rather than allies. Whereas in a women’s college environment, when you take away that golden idol that girls are socially conditioned to attain, you start to realize that there’s no reason to fight each other, and in fact it’s really rewarding to be a part of a sisterhood where you’re accepted for who you are and supported in your pursuits. Women’s College environments are a trade off, they’re not neccessarily a sacrifice. </p>

<p>I also think that if that’s what you’re looking for in a college, you’ll fit in really well at either Barnard, Smith, or Wellesley. I went to Smith (obviously) but I was seriously considering Barnard. I decided in the end that I didn’t want to go to school in a huge city like New York, which looking back now was absolutely the right decision for me. I grew up in a city, I love New York, but I don’t think it would have been a good academic environment for me. But Barnard is like the ultimate admissions bargain.</p>

<p>I’m considering Women’s Colleges (I’ve always had a great impression of Wellesley, Smith and Bryn Mawr), but I am concerned about the social life there. The colleges are really appealing because of my interest in Female Studies (as a minor) and my need for aid, but I’m worried that the social life there will be a huge drawback. Currently, most of my friends are female, and I’ve never really bothered socializing very much with the opposite sex, or even considered dating. Will there be parties and other chances to interact with the opposite sex? Would my circle of friends be predominantly female again?</p>

<p>Also, I’m a nerd in a pretty cut-throat, high-pressure large Chinese high school. While I don’t relish parts of the culture of my high school, overall I like the competition and the pressure. I really feel that this high-pressure environment pushes me beyond my limits to do better. I’m worried that the “nurturing environment” of the Seven Sisters would adversely affect my performance in college. I am very self-motivated, but the competitive environment does give me an extra push that I fear may be lacking in these schools. Could somebody explain there experiences there regarding competition, etc?</p>

<p>I’m very interested in these colleges and it’s been such a pleasure reading all of your comments! Thanks in advance! :)</p>

<p>I chose a women’s college (Mount Holyoke) because it had the environment and academics that I wanted. The fact the it was single sex didn’t really play into my decision. </p>

<p>After made the choice, I did have a momentary panic, worried about my social life. Once I got there, however, I realized that it was a great place for me to be. I grew up in an area with a strong anti-intellectual streak, especially when women were the ones being intellectuals. At Mount Holyoke, I was surrounded by 2000 intelligent, articulate, ambitious women, and it was an amazing experience.</p>

<p>I don’t believe I would have had any problems at a coed institution (after all, graduate school was coed, and that experience went very well), but I would not trade my years at a women’s college for anything.</p>

<p>(oh, and the fears about my social life turned out to be unfounded - I actually met my husband at MHC)</p>