Why you didn't get into Harvard

Iamepimetheus:
Thank you for writing that.

Unlike some of the people here, I truly appreciate it. My children are now only 14 and 13, both in middle school, but I am reading these posts sometimes, wondering how to better advice my kids.
I think you are right, when you are writing about focusing “too much on what was irrelevant” and ignoring “what mattered”.
I find extremely interesting that people are denying the above points and that people do not understand why there is a problem with being “an interesting person”
My ideas about education are probably very different than most, because I grew up and went thorough school outside of the US.
I have a problem with what seems a very curious and very typical desire of some to immediately label what you wrote as ” disgusting shallowness, ignorance and lack of substance “.
My personal observation, as somebody who didn’t grow up within the American system, is that that in America, students learn for grades, and only incidentally for learning.
In my student years, I hated teachers who simply repeated textbooks: it seemed to me that they wasted my time. I came to the US many years ago, but what still strikes me the most, is that it seems that many students here are quite satisfied if the teacher simply repeats and explains what is written in the textbook.
It seems that some of the students have problems in reading by themselves what is written, although most textbooks are quite elementary.
It seems that teachers are teaching from the text and give exams based on the text or similar problems.
When I go over my kids textbooks I get astonished by the fact that I can’t find absolutely no nonstandard problems.

Many children really want to learn, because curiosity is inherent in human nature. But selfless curiosity is illegal at schools, in the sense that it is neither expected nor supported officially. On the contrary, officials cater to those who want to learn as little as possible.
Parents urge their offspring to get high grades by any means, but fail to add that they care about actual competence, too.
The grade looks like the ultimate value, and neither students, nor parents, nor school officials see anything wrong with this. They invest more efforts into pushing for grades than for understanding.

Some students are so busy and anxious counting points on tests and predicting grades that they have no “mental room” left to think about.

It seems that children always learn under the lash of grades, never from natural curiosity, some students just cannot imagine that learning might be of intrinsic value, besides official graduation. And they might go through many years of schooling, communicate with teachers and officials, graduate from an elementary school, middle school, high school, and a university, and never have a chance to question this!
Unless they meet some irritating foreigner!

I would say it is quite difficult for a kid that goes thorough such school system to make himself “ an interesting person.”

Anyway, thank you again for your post!

@Lanaana: Okay, so how do your trivial and irrelevant ramblings about the obvious flaws of US education relate to this thread at all?

I found your post amusing. You do have a great sense of humor.

The fuzzy logic is charming.

First, you say:

“Hopefully, this post will be some consolation, because I can at least explain why you didn’t get in.”

Then you follow that up with:

“What you should have done no one can tell you definitively.”

Are you the exception to “no one”?

Or did you mean to say that your explanation could be considered both definitive and inconclusive at the same time? And, if that is the case, what would be the value of your post, if you are only providing a non-answer answer?

Are you telling me something or are you not? :slight_smile:

The equivocation is something else. Seems like an Ivy League education, even just one year into it, ought to beat some of that equivocation out of one’s bright mind. Or perhaps it ought not to? Who can tell? Wouldn’t want to be dogmatic about it, of course. Better to leave all options open.

I do love one of your final lines, though:

“But one thing’s for sure. You should not have done what you did.”

Really.

That’s it?

If nothing else matters, as you claim, then perhaps next year’s applicants ought to just follow Popeye’s lead:

“I yam what I yam an’ that’s all that I yam!”

Could this be any more condescending and meaningless?
You clearly know very little about the admissions process otherwise you wouldn’t have written half of that. Also, Class of '17? You haven’t even finished your freshmen year and profess to know about how/what people need to do to get into a school, that for many, is based on luck.
And no, I’m not “jaded” nor do I have some sort of irrational hatred for Harvard, my younger sibling is going there and we all think it’s a lovely school.

No one gets into a college with such a low acceptance rate as Harvard because they only had fun and were whatever your definition of interesting is. GPA and SAT are extremely important, the only reason that doesn’t get everyone in is because more people have those scores than there are spots in the school, so it has to be supplemented with ECs.

This is ridiculous on two points:

  1. All the people who are rejected from Harvard and its ilk are overwhelmingly boring, mediocre people? Really? There have been many debates on this forum regarding how HYPSetc choose their incoming class, but one truth is clear: there are far more wonderful applicants than there are spots. Period. You can be valedictorian, extraordinarily talented singer/dancer, personality and enthusiasm outshining the stars, founder of the most extensive fundraising event the school has seen in two decades, and still be rejected (this was our school valedictorian this year.) As a person who was indeed rejected from a couple of these schools, I take issue with being called overwhelmingly mediocre.
  1. This may come as a shock, but I wouldn’t do anything differently if I had to do high school over again. If someone told me I should pursue certain unique opportunities to stand out and be a really interesting applicant, I would have run the other way-- because I love what I do, and I do what I love. Had zero interest in music, sports, theatre, or honor societies, but I LOVE competitive speech. I would compete in speech even if everyone and his brother did it (and sometimes it seems like that’s the case), if colleges ignored it or blatantly said they didn’t want to see more speakers because THAT’S what makes me truly happy and excited. Same with classes and other activities

And you know what? Several wonderful colleges saw that and loved that (and even offered very generous merit scholarships). Not trying to sour-grape here, but I really believe that pursuing my passions has allowed me to identify a college that is the absolute perfect fit for me. So if I could say anything to current juniors/underclassmen, it’s this: pursue what you love, and don’t try to spend your four years of high school trying to get accepted. Find the college that fits YOU-- don’t try to make yourself someone you’re not to be accepted.

Before I compose my reply, can anyone on here clarify CC’s policy on use of the term “d*****nozzle”?