<p>Hey everyone, I'd love for some people to "chance me" at some of the schools I've listed below. Here are my stats:</p>
<p>ACT- 31 (retaking in a few weeks and expecting a 32)
SAT- 670 CR, 680 M, 720 W, (do not plan to send)
Subject Tests- Hopefully, by application time I'll have at least 2 scores at around 700 to low 700s
GPA- 3.83 out of 4 UW, I've taken all honors and AP (and a few electives)
Rank- 6/215
Essays- I wouldn't say my essays are stellar, but I think they will be fairly solid after I continue to work on them. I don't think they'll get me accepted at top schools, but I highly doubt they'll get me rejected.</p>
<p>ECs- My principle EC is horseback riding. I ride 8-10 hours a week, work at a barn 10 hours a week to help pay for riding, compete often, and am involved in an equestrian club. I also hold a few leadership positions in school, and have some leadership through community service, (and LOTS of community service). I play on a sports team at school and have been captain since sophomore year. I'm involved in NHS and founded a club that I'm heavily involved in at school. I'm also a tutor... there's probably more, but I think you get the picture--nothing extraordinary, but I don't think my ECs are substantially below average or anything.</p>
<p>Schools:
Penn Early Decision Legacy
Villanova Early Action
Tufts ED2 (If rejected from Penn)
Cornell
Bucknell (triple legacy)
Colgate
Johns Hopkins
Middlebury
CMU
Boston College
American University
Skidmore </p>
<p>Sooo.... what do you think? Be honest! I can take it! ;)</p>
<p>Assuming a 32 ACT:
Penn Early Decision Legacy: Reach
Villanova Early Action: not sure
Tufts ED2 (If rejected from Penn): low reach
Cornell: low/mid reach
Bucknell (triple legacy): match/high match
Colgate: low reach
Johns Hopkins: low reach
Middlebury: high match
CMU: high match
Boston College: high match
American University: match
Skidmore: high match</p>
<p>I agree with noreally, also please realize legacies are losing their allure, unless as a legacy the folks have done some major donations.</p>
<p>Your SAT and ACT really hurts you for your reaches. Also, you do realize your SAT is on par with your ACT. What was your scores for each part since the ACT is a composite. Your M 680 is actually a 32. A 670 V is equiv to a 34.</p>
<p>Thanks. I know my ACT composite and my SAT are approximately equivalent, but from the charts I’ve looked at a 680 M would be about a 31, not a 32… and a 670 V would be a 30-31. Where can I find the charts you are looking at? </p>
<p>I took the ACT twice and my scores were as follows:
Test 1:
35 English, 31 Math, 29 Reading, 28 Science
Test 2:
35 English, 30 Math, 28 Reading, 30 Science</p>
<p>I am taking the test again in the next few weeks and I’ve been taking lots of practice tests. My averages on the tests have been 35-36 English, 34-35 Math, 30 Reading, 30 Science… so if I do as well as I have been doing on the practice tests, I am looking at a 32-33 ACT score… which hopefully will boost my chances at some of those reaches a little bit. If not, I do have a couple safety schools that I’d be happy to attend. </p>
<p>Emmers- I’ll definitely check out that site.</p>
<p>Thanks for the chart. I’m just not sure how reliable it is because it is coming from just one college. I also looked up some admissions info about the school, and collegeboard lists the average ACT score of accepted applicants as 18-24. If the scores are this low, my guess is that there are few applicants with higher scores. If this is the case, the school probably couldn’t gather a huge amount of data on higher SAT and ACT scores and how they compare. (Then again, it is a big school, so they might have more data than I initially thought… hmm) Just a thought. I’ve always gone by the chart provided by collegeboard.</p>
<p>Well since many colleges only look at 2 of the 4 of the ACT, Math and English, you are much better off handing in the ACT, just realize that the east coast schools typically do transfer it over to the SAT scale, they may have their own scale.</p>
<p>I still would not change my results, even a 32 is not strong enough for Notre Dame, let alone Penn ED. These schools rely heavily on stats, to be competitive you need to be at least 34 on ACT composite and high 700’s for SAT.</p>
<p>DS applied 2 yrs ago with a 33 or 34 (can’t remember)
Here is the latest from Notre Dame
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<p>Remember, ND recruits athletes, who typically have lower scores… not saying they are not smart, but sports takes up a lot of time in a students life. So if 50% are in the 32-34 range, that means you need to be higher than a 32 to feel safe unless you have a great EC resume to off set.</p>
<p>For clarification, I was saying you need a 32 to be competitive for ND, the other stats were for Ivies.</p>
<p>The problem is many applicants are not actually going to the actual school site to list their stats and are schocked with what they are hearing. </p>
<p>If you want to really see your chances, instead of posting, spend the time and search the old threads that show class of 13 accepted threads for your schools. It might shock you to see the results.</p>
<p>Check it out and you will see 33 ACT is the lowest. Now if that is Notre Dame, can you imagine UPenn ED taking a 32 with no hook? Sorry, I don’t mean to break your heart. You might have something on there that qualifies you as unique, but on paper I don’t see it with those stats for UP</p>
<p>No, it’s fine. Thanks for the honesty! I’m still applying to Penn, though. I do have a hook at Penn–legacy… and I never planned on applying to ND. I’m hoping that I can bring my ACT score up (I’m pretty sure I can), and then maybe if they love my essays or see something in my ECs, I’ll have some sort of shot with the ED legacy boost. Penn is by far my first choice school, but I know that even if I get rejected, I’ll end up happy somewhere. Yeah, my chances of acceptance might be slim, but if I didn’t apply, I know I’d constantly be wondering “what if?”</p>
<p>Unfortunately, legacy hooks are not really a hook, except when the person is tied with someone else on the maybe in, maybe out. It is a hook to be a legacy if the folks gave tons of money, but if they are just alumni, it is not a given.</p>
<p>Obviously, it is never a given that anyone will get into a school like Penn, let alone someone like me whose stats are not that impressive… I agree that legacy status is not a MAJOR boost, but simply looking at the percentages/admit rates of legacy applicants vs. non-legacy applicants (especially during ED), it is obvious that legacies do have an advantage. I still highly doubt that I will be accepted, however, when over 40% of legacy applicants are accepted ED, it’s hard to deny that there is some sort of hook involved for legacy applicants. The numbers say it all. While only approximately 16% of all applicants who apply are accepted, approximately 34% of legacy applicants are accepted. Legacies are admitted at more than double the rate that non-legacies are admitted. </p>
<p>By no means am I trying to imply that I will be accepted–I’d be utterly SHOCKED to receive an acceptance letter in December. And it must still be noted that about 2/3 of legacy applicants are denied. I simply don’t buy into the idea that legacy hooks aren’t hooks. No, being a legacy isn’t as advantageous as being an URM, perhaps… BUT the advantage is still there. I also feel that students who feel strongly about certain schools shouldn’t be discouraged from applying just because a school is a reach school, or even a very high reach school. You can never be SURE what will happen. </p>
<p>Thanks for the advice, though. I just wanted to share those legacy statistics straight from the Penn Alumni Website with anyone who might be interested.</p>
<p>What is wrong with you people? A 32 ACT is great and sure a 34 would be better but you people are making it sound like the 32 is like a 21. Yes the schools this person is looking at has high standards like most top schools but hello its not all about the test scores. I think your 32 is fantastic, don’t think that it isn’t just because people on here say it isn’t.</p>