will i get into at least one...

<p>Flong,</p>

<p>Umm...Cal is also in-state the last time I checked. I may be wrong about that, however. You may want to verify that Berkeley, CA is in fact in California. Very interesting problem we may face.</p>

<p>Barring Berkeley's moving to, oh I dunno, Idaho, you're still in good shape for Cal.</p>

<p>LOLLL thanks for the witty sarcasm. No, my counselor said i dont have a godo shot at Cal which is why i didnt mention it. I wa sonly speaking on the 3 schools i felt like i had legit shots at, and i was lil scared haering Tufts will also be hard for me</p>

<p>flong,</p>

<p>Unless you are secretly applying to engineering at Cal and not UCLA, the numbers are almost exact. In order to back-up this claim, I could go and get the exact numbers, but instead I'll just say that both Cal and UCLA had an average 4.26 weighted GPA (exactly the same), and the SAT I was around 2000 or so.</p>

<p>Far be it for me to doubt the wisdom of a high school counselor in anything-- because we all know that those that can do become counselors...and not real people-- but your counselor is nuts. You have as good a shot at Cal as UCLA.</p>

<p>I know this to be true because the student bodies are almost exactly the same. This is, of course, barring that you managed to kill a dean at Cal or are on a persona non grata list there. </p>

<p>All joking aside, you're doing fine. You may just may have to make the hard choice between Cal and UCLA in the future.</p>

<p>oh really..i dont thikn so</p>

<p>flong:</p>

<p>UCB/UCLA: Match</p>

<p>tight! what about tufts anyone?</p>

<p>hahah oh well whatevers thanks for all the input and responses, it was a good thread for me :D</p>

<p>I don't think you have a chance at tufts or Cal but maybe UCLA.</p>

<p>Lo1603,</p>

<p>What are you basing his not having a chance at Cal on?</p>

<p>just my personal opinion.....</p>

<p>How does your opinion make any sense when the average SAT and GPA of admitted students to both Cal and UCLA are virtually alike?</p>

<p>I think mot people agree that Cal is harder school to get into than UCLA.</p>

<p>Even if that is true, it doesn't make it right. A brief analysis of the schools' admitted students demonstrates that they admit alike students. GPA is in the 4.0-4.3 range, SAT is in the 2000 range.</p>

<p>UCLA hasn't been "easier" to get into for almost a decade.</p>

<p>yeah it is just statistically they take fewer students in lower ranges which is bad for me; but to be frank, id choose UCLA over cal becuase of location. i mean the order of schools if i got into them all would prolbably be Cornell, UCLA, U mich, Tufts, Cal, Wesleyan. but, knowing getting into them all would probably be close to none, ill be happy and feel blessed if i got into any of these schools.</p>

<p>flong,</p>

<p>Not true. Look at the numbers, everyone, and you get painted a VERY different story.</p>

<p>Cal:</p>

<p>Average GPA: 4.26
Average SAT: Reading: 580-710
Math: 620-740
Writing: 590-710</p>

<p>UCLA</p>

<p>Average GPA: 4.26
Average SAT: 2000 (by section this breaks down into about the same as Cal, but it's too many numbers to list here effectively)</p>

<p>The 50th percentile range at both UCLA and Cal is virtually identical. And this is not because of funny outliers or weights at the 25th and 75th quartiles.</p>

<p>oh. interesting point.</p>

<p>well, either way, i get kicked in the ass. my 3.8 weighted UC gpa is .46 below each one and seeing its a point system UC's use im down what, 400 points ? LOL not a pretty sight, its actaully incredibly scary.</p>

<p>flong,</p>

<p>Only UCSD uses a point system. So you're in the clear there.</p>

<p>Around 10% of admitted UCLA students had around 3.8 GPAs last year. However, I doubt that most of them had the strong SAT score that you had. Using UCLA as a proxy for Cal (which is more than reasonable), we can say that you have a good shot at both. Remember that your excellent SAT scores will draw attention away from your GPA.</p>

<p>well, what im assuming is ill be put into the maybe pile since my SAT 1 is decent but my GPA sucks ___________. So im just hoping my microsoft internship and my essay about my experience there will be the tipping point. btw my essays were the favorite portion of my application : )</p>

<p>uclari
cal is harder to get into than la, there are other factors considered besides sat/gpa averages. and cal is alot better than la in terms of both academics and social life.</p>