Help! Interests are in music/composition, creative writing, science (pretty much all science, especially physics, astrophysics, chemistry, biology/genetics) and classics/linguistics. Love theatre. Not that much interested in premed/prelaw/business/Econ/math/CS/engineering.
Any other preferences? Size, location, grad school goals, cost?
Don’t mind either rural/suburban or urban settings. Opportunities matter more than size (W/A/W are small but have plenty of opportunities, also it might be easier to pursue my interests/ get into theatre, band, etc in a smaller school . I do care about undergrad research opportunities. Would absolutely want to go to grad school (not sure about the area though) and most likely to pursue a PhD.
So you basically have no preferences and only a few things that don’t interest you. Where are you in your process?
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I like them all, each for a slightly different reason. Would appreciate any input.
Princeton or Yale. Where you went to undergrad matters a lot for elite school graduate programs, not just for MBA, MD, JD, etc. Princeton and Yale or maybe even Columbia will allow better graduate school options and allow you to go into the job market easier if you decide to go that route. GPA is #1 priority tho
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Terracognita, for all practical purposes you remain Terra Incognita here, and frankly, without basic pieces of information, the advice will be very general - and therefore close to worthless.
Is this a fantasy list, or do you think all these places are realistic for you?
Can you afford them?
Where are you in the process, to repeat the very important Eeyore123’s question?
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Are you saying that you’ve been accepted into all these elite schools and are trying to decide which one to choose? Or are you a junior trying to decide where to apply?
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I know your suppose to “Apply to your dream schools”, but that’s a luxury. If you want to get into at least 1 elite college, stop considering and looking at everything and utilize the REA, ED, and ED2 process to try and get into at least 1 of those colleges
- If you’re trying to choose between them, well, I already put my opinion
waitlisted at several, accepted at the rest. I have a very good idea of my front runners and am almost decided on the final choice but wanted to run the list through you guys in case you come up with anything that escaped my consideration. I don’t want to flaunt my list and will modify/delete this answer soon. I do realize and am very grateful for how fortunate i am and don’t want to hurt other people’s feeling or to appear bragging.
First, assume that wait list = reject.
Next, choose between the actual admissions.
If a wait list school later admits, choose then between it and the one you choose now.
Does net price and debt differ or matter?
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Well if you were accepted into Princeton I’d recommend it considering all your interests. It gives a great Undergraduate education and great preparation for Graduate School with it’s emphasis on research. You can Concentrate in one of the Sciences and get a Certificate in Creative Writing and Music maybe. My D17 is graduating from there with a Concentration in Astrophysics and a Certificate in Russian and a Certificate in Computer Science.
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Congratulations!!!
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If you have been accepted to Princeton, than Princeton, because of the science + creative writing mix. They also have the highest percent of students who end up doing a PhD of the colleges in that list (around 14%, versus Yale 13%, Amherst 12%, Wellesley 11%, Columbia 9%, UPenn 6%, while Chicago and Williams are under 5%).
I am not a big Yale fan, overall, but I think that it likely should be your second choice, followed by Wellesley. I don’t see UPenn or Williams as serious contenders, considering your interests and future plans.
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That struck me as being low for UChicago, so a quick web search has UChicago claiming a much different number.
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To which schools were you actually accepted? You have to assume that you’re not getting in off of the wait lists.
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If you got in, I’d say Penn. You’re going to find good creative writing and good sciences everywhere, but good music/comp dep’t, and good linguisitics, too? Penn.
The data is from NSF’s Survey of Earned Doctorates. According to the data from the survey, the number of students from UChicago who received doctorates in the decade of 2010-2019 is around 1,800. Projecting backwards, that would represent around 13,000 students who graduated. That is 13.8%.
The number that I used were a summary since 1958, and PhD production has increased in the past 20 years. However, it has also increased in the other colleges presented, so the relative production is still the same.
So, for example, in those same 10 years, roughly 1,700 Princeton graduates earned PhDs, and this represented 10,000 student who graduated, so around 17% who earned PhDs.
In any case, the Chicago numbers are still lower than the 15%-20% claimed by U Chicago.
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Am I the only one with doubts regarding the veracity of the original post? I know life can be full of surprises but none of it - the list of schools, timing of the post, reluctance to share necessary details (and its explanation) - feels coherent to me.
Thank you very much. Very interesting statistics!