With no Score Choice allowed, can you submit Subject Test scores w/o SAT scores?

[sacchi]

<p>If a college says that it doesn't allow Score Choice, does that mean that you are required to submit SAT scores if you submit Subject Test scores?</p>

<p>My S's ACT scores (35 comp, 35 E, 35M, 34 R, 36 S) are better than his SAT scores (2220 combined, 710 CR, 710 W, 800 W). He took the SAT twice, and the second was better than the first in each section (the first time 2020 combined, 680 CR, 690 M, 650 W). He took the ACT once. </p>

<p>His Subject Test scores are 780 USH and 750 Math L2.</p>

<p>I'm wondering whether he should submit everything, or just ACT plus Subject Tests? If you submit both ACT and SAT, will schools only look at the higher one? We are from NJ where the SAT dominates, so I wonder if not submitting SAT scores is a red flag. He will also likely be NM Commended (PSAT 217, CR 80, M 72, W 65), so of course the schools will realize that he took the PSAT. </p>

<p>Does the advice change if the school is OK with Score Choice? Or if the school is in the northeast? In the mid-west? </p>

<p>Is it worth considering taking the SAT one more time in the fall? A higher SAT superscore is reasonably likely, since the highest section score on SAT was the lowest section score on PSAT and vice versa. I'm somewhat doubtful that a new superscored SAT will be better than the 35 ACT, but who knows? I'm inclined against a 3rd sitting of the SAT, since the ACT score is plenty good enough, but S has asked the question. </p>

<p>S's test scores are "higher" than his grades - he doesn't have an updated ranking yet, but junior year grades were better than freshman or sophomore year, so I predict that he will end up in the Top 10%, barely, at a suburban NJ public HS.</p>

[mantori.suzuki]

<p>Many schools says, “If you submit SAT scores, then you must submit the scores from every sitting.” But I don’t know of any that say, “If you took the SAT, then you must submit the scores.”</p>

<p>There are plenty of kids who take the ACT plus SAT subject tests, but not the regular SAT. My suggestion is to call each school’s admissions office and ask if they’ll allow you to submit the ACT plus SAT subject tests. No need even to mention that your son took the SAT.</p>

<p>I’m interested to see if anyone disagrees with this. This makes sense to me, but I’m no expert.</p>

[ellemenope]

<p>Aren’t there 2 questions here–what do you put on the application and what scores are on the score report sent to the school from College Board?</p>

<p>For example, the Common Application says:</p>

<p>Be sure to note the tests required for each institution to which you are applying. The official scores from the appropriate testing agency must be submitted to each institution as soon as possible. Please self-report your test scores below.</p>

<p>So if your school says you can use either the SAT or ACT scores, and you choose to use the ACT scores, then put only the ACT scores down. If the school says you have to have 2 subject tests, then put the scores of 2 subject tests down. If the school says that they require you to put ALL test results down, then you have to do that.</p>

<p>When it comes to sending the Score Reports, if a school does not mind that you use score choice, then send only the relevant SAT Subject tests and the ACT. If the school does not let you use score choice, then the score report will show all tests taken–the SAT and the Subject tests.</p>

[curmudgeon]

<p>At schools that DO NOT require SAT Subject Tests, I’d only send the ACT. D had great luck using only that. (She scored well, too.) Look at the stats . There are far, far fewer 35’s than NMS. </p>

<p>As to those requiring SAT Subject Tests and the ACT (a vanishing breed), check with each individual school as their rules will vary widely on score choice. If they allow only Subject Tests to go , then I’d send only them with the ACT. Under no circumstances would I let the SATs appear. (Well, maybe if you have to submit it to get a specific automatic NMS scholarship at USC, and the like.)</p>

<p>I am one who believes that a lower, outlier SAT score is not easily forgotten for highly selective admissions or serious merit aid, even if they say it is. Why risk it?</p>

[wjb]

<p>You’re correct that if a school doesn’t honor Score Choice, you’re required to submit all scores for SAT I and II. With a 35 ACT, I sure wouldn’t bother retaking the SAT I. </p>

<p>As for whether to submit just the ACT, or to also submit the SATs, I could go either way. In general, I like the idea of submitting SAT IIs along with the ACT if the SAT IIs are outstanding. Your son’s SAT IIs are very good. And his SAT I is more than respectable. I can’t imagine it would penalize him. On the other hand, that ACT standing alone is quite lovely. I don’t think either decision is a bad one.</p>

[Marian]

<p>The irony here is that there are only a small number of colleges that 1) require a student submitting the ACT to also submit SAT Subject Test scores and 2) don’t allow score choice, BUT those very same colleges are among the few that would consider a 2220 to be just ever-so-slightly disappointing.</p>

[mantori.suzuki]

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there are only a small number of colleges that 1) require a student submitting the ACT to also submit SAT Subject Test scores

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<p>In fact, I know of none that require it, but there are plenty that will accept it. So, if your SAT Subject Test scores are good, you may as well submit them to give your application a little boost.</p>

[wjb]

<p>^^ That is not correct. Although quite a few schools will now accept the ACT alone in lieu of SAT I and Subject Tests, there are still a number of schools that require a student who submits the ACT to submit SAT Subject Tests as well. Here is a list: [Compass:</a> Admissions Requirements](<a href=“SAT Subject Test Requirements and Recommendations”>SAT Subject Test Requirements and Recommendations)</p>

<p>As Marian pointed out, among the schools still requiring ACT plus Subject Tests, there are probably very few that are not going to honor Score Choice.</p>

[qialah]

<p>I’m operating under the assumption that the UCs require SAT IIs whether you submit the SAT I or the ACT, however I would happily be told I’m incorrect.</p>

[curmudgeon]

<p>So (if the compass link is correct, and I’m not vouching for them) the list is :</p>

<p>Williams
Webb
Wash+Lee
the UC’s
Rice
Princeton
MIT
Haverford
Mudd
Harvard
Georgetown
Olin
Dartmouth
Cornell
Columbia
CMU
CalTech</p>

<p>20 something by my count. (While many of those schools are great, lots of equally great schools NOT on that list, BTW.;)) </p>

<p>Now somebody go research: Question- Which ones won’t allow just the SAT Subject Tests be sent when a student has also taken the SAT and doesn’t want it to see the light of day. </p>

<p>I’ll bet we’ll find just a handful.</p>

<p>Edit: BTW, what the heck is up with the CC color scheme? My screen is all girlie blue, mocha latte, and washed out red. Yuck.</p>

[wjb]

<p>Your “if” raises an important point, Cur. No one should rely exclusively on the Compass website! Check with each school’s website to confirm the policy.</p>

<p>A cosmic color change, indeed. The community issues forum offers a way to go back to the old color scheme. I’m going to try to get used to this one. I am fond of turquoise.</p>

[Erin_s_Dad]

<p>Thanks for the hint about the community issues forum. I think the new color scheme is not good. It’s more difficult to see where unread threads are (bold turquoise vs. regular?).</p>

[OdysseyTigger]

<p>from college board - <a href=“http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/sat-score-use-practices-list.pdf[/url]”>Higher Education Professionals | College Board;

<p>Williams - highest section V1
Webb - highest section V2
Wash+Lee - highest section V2
the UC’s - all scores
Rice - all scores
Princeton - highest section V2
MIT - highest section V1
Haverford - highest section V2
Mudd - all scores
Harvard - highest section V1
Georgetown - all scores
Olin - not found
Dartmouth - highest section - V2
Cornell - all scores
Columbia - all scores
CMU - all scores
CalTech - contact school</p>

[curmudgeon]

<p>Great link and MUCH appreciated, but isn’t that only on multiple SATs? The OP was asking about sending Subject Tests without any SATs. </p>

<p>BTW the definitions are on page 4 of V1, V2, all scores, etc.</p>

[sacchi]

<p>Cornell (CAS) requires 2 Subjects Tests plus either the SAT or ACT, and says no Score Choice. I’ve read the College Board’s Score-Use Practices list, and subject tests don’t seem to be mentioned at all, so I’m confused. At the Cornell info session, the speaker said that if you submit both SAT and ACT scores they pick whichever one is best. Still, I’m not sure I believe that.</p>

<p>I thought that the 750 and 780 subject test scores were good enough to include with the ACT for schools that recommend but don’t require subject tests (WUSTL), or don’t require them when the ACT is used (Rice, Vassar, Tufts).</p>

[yellowismellow]

<p>at a princeton infosession, the lady said you had to submit EVERYTHING. even middle school talent search stuff (***?).</p>

[sacchi]

<p>^ That is surprising, regarding middle school talent search SAT scores. Doesn’t the College Board automatically remove any scores taken before 9th grade? It never even occurred to me to try to figure out how to get around that. And really, what interest would the schools really have in S’s 7th grade scores?</p>

[toadstool]

<p>College board has all the scores in a single file - if colleges require everything then you must send everything</p>

<p>And really you are splitting hairs - both your son’s ACT and SAT scores are excellent. He should be proud of both. Top colleges are looking at the total picture, not statistics calculated to 4 decimal points.</p>

[vicariousparent]

<p>The Yale admissions website has the most detailed instructions I’ve seen:</p>

<p>

Yale requires results from all of the SAT I and SAT II tests or all of the ACT tests you have taken. If you choose to fulfill our testing requirement with SAT scores, then it is not necessary to send any scores from the ACT, even if you have taken the ACT. And if you choose to fulfill the requirement using the ACT, you do not need to send us any SAT scores, unless you wish.</p>

<p>However, and this is important, if you elect to use the SAT scores, you must report all scores from all SAT exams (both SAT I and SAT II) that you have taken. If you elect to use ACT scores, you must report all scores from all ACT exams you have taken. And if you choose to use a combination of SAT and ACT results, we require that you report all scores from both agencies.

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<p>Even more details on:</p>

<p>[Instructions</a> for Reporting Your Scores | Application to Yale College | Freshmen | Office of Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://www.yale.edu/admit/freshmen/application/score_reporting.html]Instructions”>http://www.yale.edu/admit/freshmen/application/score_reporting.html)</p>

[Mini_Van]

<p>To ease fears about going ACT only. Child also had similar ACT score and was National Merit Commended and from East Coast HS. Had OK, but not great SAT IIs. Applied to six schools submitting ACT only and listed National Merit Commended as an Honor/Award. One Ivy required ACT plus SATIIs, but didn’t submit them to any other schools. Never took SATI. Accepted at all schools. If there is a big difference in scores etc that you don’t want to send, make sure they do not appear on your child’s HS transcript. Relative applied to a school that didn’t require any scores, but forgot they were on HS transcript and regretted not having them removed.</p>