<p>From my reading, it looks like hey_pal might already be a college freshman? If that’s correct, how’s the first month going?</p>
<p>^ Good catch. That post of hers was Jan '11.</p>
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<p>Ivies don’t give athletic scholarships and I thought only hand out need-based aid so where is all this money coming from?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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<p>This is one of the biggest questions that has remained unanswered in my research so far.
I think the press has over estimated this 20-scholarship thing.
Who really has 20 scholarships and those that do - how is it used?</p>
<p>Seattle Pacific, for example, posts on its web site that it has only one scholarship for its entire female team!</p>
<p>And the very large programs have over fifty rowers. How in the world does 20 go fifty ways?</p>
<p>I suspect that all that the schools are paying for is things like paying for books and such and that’s it.</p>
<p>And maybe, just MAYBE one six-foot 7:00 2K ERG superstar is getting a full ride.</p>
<p>Mark, I’m not a rowing guy - there are others here who can give better specific info. As for Ivy’s being restricted to need-based aid - that’s true. The definition of need, however, is much more generous than you’d get at a typical state school. </p>
<p>The fully-funded 20 scholarship schools in rowing seem to include, but maybe not limited to, California, Princeton, Virginia, Yale, Brown, Stanford, Washington, Michigan State, USC, Washington State, Michigan, UCLA, Wisconsin, Clemson, Ohio State, Dartmouth, Harvard, Notre Dame, Oregon State. </p>
<p>n most sports (except football, basketball and volleyball) - scholarships are generally divvied up as partials (equivalency vs. headcount sports) to make 16 or 20 scholarships cover a large roster. Lots of kids in equivalency sports are walk-ons, too.</p>
<p>I think Seattle Pacific is a D2 program - apparently not as well funded as some of the biggies.</p>
<p>Yup, thanks. Agree, the 20 are split up, as I said.</p>
<p>The press has made it out though that women’s rowing = free ride and that is not true at all.</p>
<p>Yes, correct, Seattle Pacific is Div II.</p>
<p>But bear in mind that men’s track and field, for example, has 12.6 scholarships to cover rosters that are often 50 or 60 guys - and there are a whole lot more HS students competing in track than there are in rowing. So I think the rowers may tend to fare better than most equivalency sports when it comes to scholarships.</p>
<p>Mark,
I’ve learned a lot in the past year since I posted the original question. I will tell you that my daughter is a 2013 and has heard from at least 25 D1 coaches - direct contact - with invitations for unofficial visits. Her erg time is 7:20 and she’s 6’1. We don’t know if she’ll be in the full ride category, but we are optimistic that she’ll have her fair share of choices. A 2012 friend of hers with a 7:29 received 75% from a top 25 Big State University.</p>
<p>Couple of thoughts:</p>
<p>20 scholarships are for all fully funded D1 programs - check the NCAA listings. (and remember that ivys don’t offer any scholarships, so they’re not included in this conversation - and varska is incorrect in listing dartmouth as having scholarship options) Basically, any school with a huge football program (or in some cases hockey) fund 20 full rides. Yes, most rosters have 50-60 girls. Take a look at the rosters by class. You will likely find that there are many more freshmen and the numbers scale back for sophs, jrs, and seniors. Most crew programs actively recruit walk on members in the fall - so, no scholarships for those students. Take a look at a school’s “this year’s recruit” news feeds. Generally 5-6 girls are recruited for a freshman class (and again, 20 freshmen can be on the roster). It is possible that 2 of those girls are on full ride, 2 at 60 percent, and 1 may be at less. (rough numbers obviously). Remember too, that many girls will be able to GET IN to a college through rowing and not be concerned about the scholarship option, especially in state schools where tuition can be less than a 50% scholarship option at a private or out of state school. </p>
<p>For erg times that put you in the “hoping for 100% scholarship” category, take a look at Crash-B results from 2011. Crash Bs are the largest and most reputable erg competition in the world. If your daughter is in line with the top 25 rowers ages 13-18, it seems likely (or at least we are hoping) those are the full ride rowers.</p>
<p>I read on another post your daughter will be competing in MidAtlantic Erg Sprints. That’s a good start and will give you a sense of where your daughter competes. We were given very good advice that I will pass along to you; your daughter should compete in her age group - which will mean a 1K for a 15 year old, 1.5K for a 16 year old and a 2k for a 17 year old. That worked out well for both of our daughters.</p>
<p>Feel free to PM if you have additional questions. Believe me, if your daughter is a competitor, and she reaches out with her good results to college coaches, she will get a ton of response.</p>
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<p>Sorry, I know better than that - none of the Ivies I listed have athletic scholarships, of course.</p>
<p>Varska,
didn’t mean to call you out on that one!
It drives me CRAZY when I hear other people say “oh, my niece got a scholarship at xyz ivy for rowing.”
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<p>no problem - I’m glad you caught it!</p>
<p>Dear -fan. Thanks for your long post. Appreciated.</p>
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<p>That’s why. ;-)</p>
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<p>I have looked at several. It seems to be about 50-50 … experienced rowers versus women who have never rowed before … usually basketball and volleyball players.</p>
<p>@Mark
With respect to ivies and financial aid: HPY have very generous need-based financial aid, even if family income is in the 200K range. This means that many athletes get more money through financial aid than if they had a scholarship at a non-ivy D1 school.
With respect to full scholarships at D1 schools, the top rowing schools have the full 20 scholarships, usually the top 8 get a full ride (tuition, room, board, books), and the rest of the team shares the other scholarships.</p>
<p>@ elioeoe whatever ya name was:
I am in fact, a college freshman! and LOVING IT!! I am a complete advocate of participating in a varsity sport in college (esp. rowing!). I know my experience with rowing thus far has almost entirely been positive, and I was extremely nervous coming into it. </p>
<p>Ask me anything!</p>
<p>hey_pal, tried to pm you but your messages are full… D will be a lightweight rower at Princeton next year, love to hear from you how it’s all going. She is very excited about it!</p>
<p>I see a lot of people asking about athletic scholarships in non-revenue sports and schools(Ivies D3’s) that don’t traditionally award athletic scholarships. When an athlete goes to one of these schools they generally don’t cost the Athletic Dept. anything, because they use the GPA/scores, need to determine the financial aid or funding they receive. True athletic scholarships come out of the AD’s budget, they are one year renewable and coaches generally have leaway and can get “the talent” regardless of grades/scores. Also, we are talking about a different category of schools academic powerhouses versus athletic powerhouses and then those that try to balance the two.</p>
<p>At anyrate I wish everyone the best in their efforts, my daugther plays a non-revenue sport also and we’ve been approached by programs, pre-qualified/compliance by schools turned down, accepted and all that. It’s a roller coaster ride for sure.</p>
<p>just wanted to bump this in case anyone has more to say…on athletic scholarships</p>
<p>The D1 open weight rowing programs have the full 20 athletic scholarships (except, of course, the ivies); usually distributed on a yearly basis by performance or for initial recruitment based on erg time and results. Also, LW programs usually don’t have athletic scholarships. So, yes, the likelihood of getting a substantial scholarship is quite a bit higher in women’s rowing than in other sports.</p>
<p>UCLA and CAL have 10 scholarships for women.</p>
<p>My daughter is a LW…so there is no hope for a scholarship?</p>