<p>Are you sure, Iamafan?
Re. Athletic scholarships at UCLA, UCLA has 22 NCAA sports. According to their web site, <a href=“http://www.uclabruins.com/genrel/ucla-recruiting-home.html:[/url]”>http://www.uclabruins.com/genrel/ucla-recruiting-home.html:</a> “The full limit of NCAA Scholarships are awarded in 22 sports based on the following major criteria: 1) academic admissibility to UCLA-combination of high school grades and standardized American test scores (SAT/ACT) where scores must be higher than NCAA Clearing House limits (2.5 gpa/820 SAT or 68 ACT (17 Average)), 2) your athletic ability compared to others in your sport on both a national and international level-you have to be among the top athletes to be considered, 3) ability to make an immediate contribution to the Bruin program in your first year. Athletes are also considered for UCLA teams without a scholarship, based on the same criteria. You can earn a scholarship after the first year, based on your contributions to the success of the UCLA team.”
Here’s a link to U Wisconsin, <a href=“http://www.uwbadgers.com/development/endowment-opportunities.html;[/url]”>http://www.uwbadgers.com/development/endowment-opportunities.html;</a> they, too, give out the maximum allowed scholarships for women’s crew (20). And quite frankly, I’d be totally surprised if CAL did not use its full allocation of 20 scholarships.</p>
<p>Because LW rowing isn’t covered by NCAA rules (like men’s rowing), there are no official rules on the number of athletic scholarships. As a result, U CAL and U Washington men’s rowing is quite generous with scholarships (they have a very active fundraising), and some say that this is why the two schools have no interest in men’s rowing becoming an NCAA sport as it would limit the number of scholarships.</p>
<p>With respect to women’s LW, according to the Wisco athletic dept., they do not have athletic scholarships. My impression is that this is quite typical, also considering that LW programs recruit fewer rowers per year (around 3-5).</p>
<p>If you look at the list of top-ranked LW teams with respect to potential athletic scholarships, the teams listed are a mix of schools/programs:
Some are ivy league, so there’s no athletic scholarship.
Wisconsin LW don’t give athletic scholarships.
Some LW boats are part of the overall women’s rowing program, so they might give scholarships as part of their NCAA allotment; however, at least according to their web site, Bucknell does not award athletic scholarships in crew ([Scholarships</a> and Grants || Financial Aid || Bucknell University](<a href=“http://www.bucknell.edu/x571.xml]Scholarships”>Theatre and Dance Events at Bucknell | Lewisburg, PA)), UMass probably does; however, I would assume that the top LW rowers row in the top boat, even if it’s an OW boat.
I don’t think MIT gives athletic scholarships in any sport.
U CAL on that list is a club sport.</p>
<p>Beenthere - Positive. 10 at UCLA and 10 at CAL. Heard it straight from the head coach’s mouth at unofficial visits. “been there.” sorry, couldn’t resist :)</p>
<p>Regarding athletic scholarship: 10 at UCLA and 10 at CAL. I’m trying to understand the number here: so this 10 scholarship is for the whole team, including senior, junior, sophmore, and freshmen, right? Or do you mean this 10 scholarship will be used all for current year recruiting class – 2 or more full-ride offers, and rest be divided among other in-coming new recruits?</p>
<p>Goplay - when an equivalency sport (like rowing) lists the number of scholarships available, it’s for the whole roster - freshman through senior. So coaches tend to divvy them up into partials.</p>
<p>It is up to the coach to decide how many scholarships to give out based on his/her annual budget, at least at CAL. So, I wonder to what extent, the 10 scholarships change from year to year, e.g. assuming a scholarship is for a full full ride for an out-of-state student, what if a good number of students are in-state or are eligible for financial aid?
Also, the scholarship amount is negotiable when an athlete gets recruited, i.e. it depends on how much a coach wants an athlete and what potential competitors are offering.</p>
<p>beenthere - that’s a very interesting chart - thanks for the info. </p>
<p>As for your question about how in-state vs. out-of-state tuition is related to scholarship limits in equivalency sports - each athlete’s athletic scholarship $ award is divided by his actual cost of education to determine his scholarship percentage. So if the athlete has a higher cost of education (because he is from out of state) then his scholarship percentage would be lower. This only applies to public universities that have different tuition rates based on residency. </p>
<p>So there’s no advantage to recruiting in-state kids as far as NCAA limits are concerned. (But it will be easier on the department budget)</p>
<p>Thanks, Varska. The way I understand it at CAL is that the coach decides on how s/he wants to use the budget allocated. So, let’s say the budget is 1 mio. So, since the coach can decide how many scholarships to give out up to the maximum of 20, whether students are in-state or not would affect his/her budget and therefore the number s/he gives out in a given year. IMafan was told it was 10 at CAL and UCLA instead of the ‘allowed’ 20. Since IS tuition is about 1/3 of OOS tuition in California, 10 OOS state scholarships would easily cover 20 IS scholarships (incl. room/board/books), can we assume that the “10 scholarships” spread out over the team are something like 10x52K? Depending on the status of each student (IS, OOS) this could easily be the same as “20 scholarships” at 20x26K, meaning it’s actually quite meaningless when a coach says, I have 10 scholarships or 20, especially since they are equivalency and can be spread out over the whole team. Is that right?.</p>
<p>That makes sense, beenthere. If the team is under the allowed number of scholarships (20 in this case), the limiting factor is really $$, not number of scholarships.</p>
<p>10 scholarships for the entire team (or 20 if fully funded - or somewhere in between). There’s a formula for state schools which have both in and out state students - average cost of attendance. Some students are given “books” scholarships (call it $1000) and some are given full rides. When you add up ALL the scholarships for a given year, it will equal the TOTAL # of scholarships per team. Rowing does not have a minimum scholarship – unlike baseball where the minimum athletic scholarship an athlete can receive is 25%.</p>
<p>And added info … some schools have forty, fifty (or more) rowers. So, even if they had the max twenty scholarships - obviously not everyone could get a full ride.</p>
<p>As 'fan says, many get the $1,000 “token” amount to pay for books.</p>
<p>What I’m told is that maybe the top one or two recruits get close to the full amount.</p>
<p>And don’t forget, Ivy’s (where rowing is big) don’t give athletic scholarships but are very generous with their “financial aid.” ;)</p>
<p>I have compiled the below times as a great starting point.</p>
<p>-Heavyweight men: 6:30 noticed, 6:10- very good
-Lightweight Men: 6:40 and under you’ll be noticed, best recruits are in the 6:30s
and 6:20s.
-Heavyweight Women: 7:20 – 7:30 good, 7:15 – 7:10 very good, 7:09 and lower
is excellent
-Lightweight Women: Under 7:50 is good, 7:40 and under is very good</p>
<p>These are starting points, and will get you noticed, if you are a member in a quality rowing club, and do some legwork on your own. </p>
<p>Ok, so my daughter and I did a spring break string of unofficial visits to D1 Rowing Schools. I asked each and every coach the range of their recruit ERG times from the past year and they all answered about the same, with the range being 7:05 to 7:40. Each added that they take into account number of years rowing, body type, etc. Note that two of the schools were top 20 programs. Just wanted to add some validation to my initial post.</p>
<p>Okay So Crazy Daddy was already taken and when I ask my question you will understand why. I am intereested in getting my two girls into crew and ready to compete. We live in Va so acces to the water and great schools…Woodson!!! WHat are some activities and camps I can send my girls to get them ready. Currently they are still in gymnastics and ballet to get upper body strength and flexability. Okay now why I am crazy daddy…they are 8 and 6 and I want to start gettingthem ready for crew! any ideas, tips easy excercises to give them so good technique to build on??</p>