Wondering if non-change in status is related to dual enrollment?

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of Florida
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<p>I know that the prereqs are on the site, but that's not the problem. The problem is how were we supposed to KNOW that we needed our prereqs. I called up an admissions person before I applied and she said to apply as a freshman. Applying as a freshman does not mean that you need to get your prereqs to get in.</p>

<p>But applying as a transfer student does. I get that. But it doesn't explain why UF changed their admissions process for AA students out of high school. Like I said earlier, how can a high school student be expected to take Calc 1,2,3 Differential equations, Physics 1,2, and Chem 1,2 without knowing they needed to take them? While thinking they were coming in as Freshman? I talked to both my guidance counselors today, and my high school early college counselor said that they worked out an agreement that states that all high schoolers with AA would be judged as freshman, not as transfers. In fact, you need 12 hours of college after graduating high school to even be considered a transfer.</p>

<p>It has not always been like this, either. Last year UF accepted high schoolers with AAs as freshman. "But the economy has changed!" is no excuse for changing this policy. You are basically saying "Well, you showed initiative and got your AA in high school, so we will judge you as transfers! Too bad if you don't have your prereqs!" There is nothing on their website which tells you that you need your prereqs, too.</p>

<p>Also, the only people that could get into Florida with an AA out of high school, of course, were those that had their prereqs. Some majors have easier prereqs than others, WHICH THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH, and those people will be accepted to Florida. But my friend wanted to go into pharmacy at Florida, which entails:</p>

<p>BSCX010/X010L<br>
BSCX011/X011L
BSCX085/X085L
BSCX086/X086L
CHMX045/X045L
CHMX046/X046L
CHMX210/X210L
CHMX211/X211L
MACX142
MACX233
PHYX004/X004L
PHYX005/X005L
On top of 2 englishes, the maths, the psycology, the humanity, etc</p>

<p>Basically, she had no chance of getting in.</p>

<p>But you might say "What of the non AA students that worked hard and didn't get in?" All I wanted was to be judged like them, not as a transfer student. If I had gotten rejected as a freshman, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. If I got rejected, just as some of my friends were, or accepted as others, I would be perfectly fine. But I wasn't, and so I'm not.</p>

<p>Edit: Just read your post AT9. Exactly.</p>

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<p>Based on last year and this year, it appears HARDER to get an acceptance graduating with a HS diploma AND an AA degree that graduating with a HS diploma and DE credits. You are held to a much high standard, and need to have meet department criteria and prereg's if you graduate with an AA. Holding an AA, they want to to enroll at UF and graduate in 2 years or less. Period. Holding less than an AA, you have more flexibility.</p>

<p>On another thread earlier in the year, I mentioned to one of the posters here that it WAS NOT IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO GRADUATE WITH AN AA given the stats posted. I was trashed and told that my advice made no sense. But that is what is happening. Happened last year and again this year. You paint yourself into a corner if you rush the AA/AS degree. Period.</p>

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<p>I am the parent of a collegiate high school student who is expecting a rejection letter from UF today due their B<strong><em>S</em></strong> policy of expecting dual enrolled kids to have ALL the prerequisites of their intended major. I think we need a good, old-fashioned law suit to put the DAMN gators in their place. They are the ONLY school in the nation (that I know of) to put these road blocks up for extremely determined, smart kids who get their AA degree and High School diploma at the same time. My son needs to stay in Florida to take advantage of a Bright Futures scholarship, but will probably be forced to take ontriple digit debt at Georgia Tech, where he was easily admitted, due to the screwed up admissions policy at UF. Any lawyers out there that would like to file suit for discrimination? How can a kid who takes easy public school classes get in over a kid who’s taken college classes since he was 15? My son struggled to get enough math classes, coming from a private school where few advanced math classes were offered, has plenty of science prerequisites, but needs what would take a regular high school kid 8years to get in math. Completely absurd!!!</p>

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<p>This is complete crap. I am embarrassed and just… angry. After two years of hard work at a community college, I get discriminated against? They should be upfront about this. I have the feeling that they don’t even bother looking at my app. The different majors/colleges do. There’s no way I could have gotten all of those volunteer hours and EC’s while completing a science AA for pre-med.</p>

<p>I guess it’s FSU for me.</p>

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<p>scrabblequeen - you must not know about many schools then. All of the prestigious schools like the Ivies/top 25 schools will not accept college credit from community colleges nor will they admit someone with an AA degree as a transfer. </p>

<p>I am sorry to tell you this, but it is not considered that big of a deal to take college courses at a community college or a small 4 year state school in your hometown that no one has heard of outside of your hometown. At my high school, all the smart kids are in IB. Our IB program sends people to the Ivies and lots of top 25 schools. That is who I am competing against in my high school.</p>

<p>If I were to go to the local 4 year state college, they don’t even have an admissions process. If you graduate high school or get a GED, you are in. The college students in those classes are the bottom of the barrel kids who can’t get into a 4 year university like UF, FSU, UCF or USF - so they go to a community college or a small state 4 year college. It is considered much more prestigious to take IB or AP classes than it is to do dual enrollment in a community college or a small state 4 year college.</p>

<p>None of that will help your son, but I am surprised that no one at his guidance counseling office let him know he would be better off doing AP or IB if available than dual enrollment.</p>

<p>At my HS, we have IB students and non-IB students. About 20-25% of those who start pre-IB end up dropping out when IB starts junior year and they add to the non-IB ranks. Those who drop out of IB are counseled to take AP classes and not to go the dual enrollment route if they aspire to a good 4 year university like UF. However, very few of those who drop out of IB end up getting accepted to UF whereas almost all of the IB students get accepted to UF.</p>

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<p>There’s no need to downplay Dual Enrollment though. If only you knew what we dual enrollment students went through to earn our AA, you wouldn’t try to dismiss it as lesser than other rigorous High School programs. I took a bunch of AP classes I can’t compare the two. It just sucks that those two years of hard work are backfiring.The long days of going to school from 7am to 10pm, hiring a tutor for the first time, the tears from being introduced to taking science & calc courses with a heavy course load in a semester, missing senior and junior year, wondering what your friends look like after so long, working part time to afford the necessities, commuting to high school to volunteer for NHS, and everything else that we had to go though… it makes it hard to swallow. We know we’ve worked hard but I suspect that UF has had the information up all along and we just didn’t know/look. It’s important to know that it’s not the end of the world and you shouldn’t waste your energy on being angry. UF is a great school but you applied to others so go to another great school. I’m over it and I’m OK. Good luck to the rest of you DE’s who completed the prereqs!</p>

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<p>It shows your dedication. What was your intentions, Are you planning to get your Masters right away?</p>

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<p>I knew that I always wanted to be a science or math major (I now know that I don’t really like science all that much). The extra time I’d most likely have to spend in school just didn’t appeal to me so I started taking college courses in HS. I will be participating in ROTC so I will continue my education during or after my service.</p>

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<p>Sorry to burst your bubble about AP and IB classes, but they are not better than dual enrollment anywhere. You are not guaranteed college credit for those classes and few schools truly do a good job teaching those classes. Yes, there are a few that do and maybe your school is one of them, but I doubt you’re in Florida if that’s the case. My son’s classes at private school were harder than honors level classes ata fundamental high school he attendedand harder than 80% of the college classes he has taken at community college, but small private schoolsget no credit when it’s time to apply to college, either. I spoke too soon about UF, though, as we got an acceptance note today to our surprise. Hoping that the acceptance packet doesn’t say acceptance is contingent on his taking 4 math classes over the summer or something of the like. Still hoping for scholarships from Tech and know it is considered a MUCH better school. And for the doubters that dual enrollment helps, we have acceptance letters from five schools, scholarship offers from two (over and above bright futures) and honors program acceptance at UCF. Not all of his 75 credits will transfer, but no less than 45-50 transfer even out-of-state, so it is a significant savings since classes and books are FREE to dual-enrolled kids in Florida. We were told that UF makes no exceptions to the prerequisite rules, but obviously they did in my son’s case, so don’t give up if you’re another person waiting to hear back.</p>