<p>I was just wondering.
Given that admission stats get tougher and tougher every year and with smarter student body in the future, wouldn’t penn only be better?
I’m especially concerned about SEAS.
I heard that SEAS ranks low just because of its small size.
Would SEAS get only better in the future?</p>
<p>Let me let you in on a little secret:</p>
<p>In the long run, it won't matter a whole lot, because it'll either be your undergrad or work experience that matters.</p>
<p>But yes, Penn's on the up and up.</p>
<p>SEAS isn't that small. It's 1500 students might seem small compared to MIT's 4,000 but Caltech only has 1000. Though I guess it might be small in the number of actual engineering degrees offered.</p>
<p>Doubt it. Reputation don't change that easily. Neither do the faculty. Yale is drilling tons of green into its engineering program, but it's not going to rise in rankings any time soon.</p>
<p>dooit,</p>
<p>Where can Yale go to? It's already a top top school. It's schools like USC that have a chance of going up. Yale can't go anywhere, it's already the cream of the cream of the crop. :p</p>
<p>Here's a little secret...When a school is elite, such as Penn or any of the other Ivies, they are always elite. The national rankings may go up or down, but that doesn't increase or decrease its actual elite status. That remains constant. The only thing that changes is the "public perception".</p>
<p>UCLAri, you're right. But I'm commenting specifically on its engineering program, which isn't anything to gloat about. Penn SEAS is the same</p>
<p>Yale has like the 40th ranked engineering program and they are losing a large amount of students to schools that have better engineering programs so they are trying to boost their engineering program</p>
<p>i've heard from a penn alum that seas isnt ranked too high because unlike most undergrad engineering schools that focus on sending kids to grad school, penn seas is more job-oriented and gets its seas into the business world (or something along that line) after graduation....causing the seas ranking to not be too great...idk how true that is tho</p>
<p>I think SEAS will get better, as will the engineering programs of the rest of the Ivies. </p>
<p>I think the reason it (and the programs of many other Ivies) is ranked a little low is because the program wasn't pushed as hard when schools like UIUC, Stanford, and Purdeu were rapidly expanding their engineering programs. At the current point, Penn and schools like Yale, Harvard, and Columbia are rapidly expanding their engineering programs to catch up. At Penn, expansion is focused in the direction of emerging fields such as BioE and nano. </p>
<p>Re: the Caltech comparison, the undergraduate student bodies are about the same size, but Caltech has a much more extensive program in graduate studies.</p>
<p>The Point that SEAS is very focused on jobs (especially non-engineering jobs) is true, although I'm not sure how relevant that is to the rankings.</p>
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<p>It's true. A lot of Penngineers take advantage of the interdisciplinary opportunities at Penn to combine their engineering with business or liberal arts and as a result, the average pay of a Penngineer is surprisingly high</p>