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<p>Fact: Brown students have the lowest starting salary in the Ivy League.
Fact: Brown students have the second lowest mid-career salary in the Ivy League.</p>
<p>Can I ask why you come on the Brown forum and bash the school? I don't understand your sadistic perversion. If you don't like Brown, don't come on the site and bad mouth a school that is right for others! What is your beef???? I really am curious.</p>
<p>Seriously dude, remove the tree trunk that is up your a** and LEARN TO READ A GRAPH (Fact:Columbia is lower than Brown), especially if you're going to bash something. To me, it looks like colt45 is just a disgruntled student who just goes on every Ivy thread and talks trash on every school for his own sick pleasure. The reason Brown is slightly lower is that a lot of people there do not care about salaries. Get a friggen' life.</p>
<p>Might this have something to do with choices?</p>
<p>Fact: more Brown students work in the non-profit sector than the other Ivies.</p>
<p>Fact: 40% of Brown students are entrepreneurs at one time in their life.</p>
<p>why are ya'll so defensive. Be offensive and tell it like it is. Look these data are kind of messed up. They take a small sampling and don't even account for locales. Its actually kind of ridiculous. I think the credibility of a program can be measured by "earning potential" because that isn't a quantification of the value of the education you received at that school. I think despite these numbers, Brown and every other ivy is still a great school. </p>
<p>I don't think Colt45 wasn't trying to be offensive, just pointing out a study.</p>
<p>cornell2011, while I agree with you about the study, it's pretty clear that colt45 comes onto this board to be offensive</p>
<p>FACT: your link does not point to the WSJ</p>
<p>FACT: the top two employers of brown seniors are goldman sachs (prestigious i-bank paying far above the highest median) and the peace corps (pretigious service organization paying well below the lowest median)</p>
<p>SPECULATION: colt45 may or may not have been rejected from brown</p>
<p>SPECULATION: colt45 may or may not be bitter about said rejection</p>
<p>also worth noting:</p>
<p>I was thinking the same thing dcircle. Colt45 was probably rejected and his/her reaction was to bash the school that he/she most wanted to be accepted to. Either that, or he/she is just desperate for some attention.</p>
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FACT: your link does not point to the WSJ
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True, but both the WSJ and Forbes cited this report in their articles. </p>
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FACT: the top two employers of brown seniors are goldman sachs (prestigious i-bank paying far above the highest median) and the peace corps (pretigious service organization paying well below the lowest median)
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You are acting as if this isn't the case at all the other Ivy League schools...</p>
<p>Look, I'm not putting down Brown's education on THESE measures, but I'm just pointing out the fact that it does graduate the students with the lowest income. I'm just trying to inform readers about whether the tuition is worth paying, which, I assure you, is on the minds of many parents here.</p>
<p>thanks for the info buddy</p>
<p>you might have also added </p>
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<li><p>there is a 90% confidence interval on all of their medians, making the expected difference in earnings between dartmouth (the highest earnings) and columbia (the lowest earnings) insignficant. </p></li>
<li><p>the ranking excluded anyone with an education beyond a bachelor's degree. since the vast majority of ivy grads get higher degrees they obviously have unrepresentative samples.</p></li>
<li><p>it is not the case at other ivy league schools that the two largest employers are goldman and the peace corps. check out the easily available data on each school's career placement website. it's unique to brown and part of what makes brown awesome.</p></li>
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<p>Fact: Cold45 has the smallest ....</p>
<p>compensating for something, buddy?</p>
<p>Don't you think that they would've been able do a study INCLUDING ivy leaguers with graduate degrees? I'm pretty sure they had the resources being a data research firm and all. There is a reason why they didn't, and it's because generally, advanced degrees affect income and career opportunities much more than a bachelor's. Therefore, the only rational way to rank undergraduate institutions is to look only at workers with just undergraduate degrees. </p>
<p>Every rankings has its flaws. But do not come on here and bash everyone else's on statistical minutiae when you start threads on Princeton Review's crap on the happiest students. Give me a break.</p>
<p>in addition to looking bitter, you are now portraying yourself as uneducated.</p>
<p>a 90% confidence interval isn't statistical minutiae, as most people on this board can explain to you.</p>
<p>i think penn has some very basic intro to stats classes. you may want to consider signing up.</p>
<p>Colt --</p>
<p>I'm going to take a reasoned stab here, and say that, since Penn, with its excellent business school, probably turns out more Wall-Streeters than Brown, starting salaries may be higher. But that only reflects students choices, not the educations they got</p>
<p>I got into both Penn and Brown and I chose Brown. It was because I wanted to make less money. Why didn't you choose Brown?</p>
<p>Besides the unique sample- Ivy League grads without advanced degrees- one must account for the distribution of undergraduate degrees. For example, engineers earn more than liberal arts graduates. This is particularly true when you compare those with only bachelors degrees. Therefore, in computing the average, one is looking at the proportion of students from each college who get engineering degrees. </p>
<p>On the other hand, if one had good data on the incomes of all graduates of elite colleges, by major, and over a number of years, it is entirely possible that some colleges would consistently turn out higher earning students than others. It is entirely possible that one college would consistently be at the bottom of the elite list. If one did this for Ivy colleges, there MIGHT be one college that was at the bottom year after year. Considering the goals and career ambitions of many Brown students, it would not surprise me if this were Brown. Now that one can get a combined degree from Brown and RISD, I might expect the median income of graduates to go down.</p>
<p>Like many other stats about colleges, this is a description, not a ranking.</p>
<p>kiddo, 17 kids are getting a combined degree from RISD and Brown. 17. </p>
<p>Furthermore, what's to say these kids won't make their engineering degree their profession, instead of their glass blowing one?</p>
<p>let it die</p>
<p>ladsjf</p>
<p>Many who do not get the combined degree are attracted by the RISD association. These tend not to be people for whom a huge income is a major motivating factor (those people go to Wharton instead). So, as the link becomes closer, one might expect even more people whose goals lie closer to art than to income. The number who actually get the combined degree is beside the point. RISD attracted artistic types to Brown before that was an option.</p>
<p>I doubt there are many engineering/RISD combined degrees. Mainly because of interest, but also because the engineering program might not permit it.</p>
<p>It's every boy's dream to grow up and make less money, ClaySoul.</p>